In case some people here forgot the fact this Corona virus is clearly regarded as a core national security issue, it is advisable to take a moment and at least try to connect the dots if intellect capacity allows it; it is blindingly obvious even to a casual observer that any and all outbreak has been dealt with as such. So all those gas-lighting and rather one fry short of a happy meal comments about economic pains and such are completely missing the point. When all national security issues, food, energy, data, finance, health, etc, are on the table all at once, taking charge of those issues in one's own tight grip to shape the outcome to one's advantage is much much better. It shows the will, it shows the fight. We don't need some weak Gorbachevs, or Trumps or Bojo, or any other useful idiots to deal with the situation. We need clear headed strong hands with determination and foresight.
Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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Shanghai's problem is not lock-down but the decision trying to avoid or delay the lock-down. Remember Wuhan locked down for 80 days. Shanghai only locked down for 21 days so far, and some business has restarted (like the shipyard). I don't see why it is a catastroph.
In4ser
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Agreed. China should continue to show propaganda about the West's COVID death rates and emphasize their population's reluctance to get vaccinated. If the old and elderly persist, so be it. We already have an aging demographic issue in China with the old acting as a drain upon national resources and vitality. Think of the Qing Empire when the Imperial Court had to sign away its power, wealth, and possessions; too old to govern and unable to keep up with the times of America's Congress and President today.
China must prepare for the next coming storm. COVID-19 is endemic and will not go away, the government has minimized the disease's risks but it cannot eliminate it. Not only does China need to worry about escalation over the Taiwan Straits but also the potential collapse of the entire global economy. Securing resources for security and production is only part of the equation as China's ability to export to foreign markets will also be severely affected by what's going on in the West. The EU and the US economies are facing inflation and debt crises and they may default. This will significantly curtain consumption collapse ability for Chinese goods and services and the alternative markets of the global South will also face economic issues as there are also growing food and energy crises too spreading around the world. This means that China will need to boost its own domestic consumption by opening up its own economy as lockdowns hamper the national spirit and vitality when we need to look more inward for growth and development.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you on this, but surely you can also see why leaving them at their own is also not a good strategy. Pardon but, the sheep also need a good shepherd to guide them. If the sheep wants to endanger the whole farm, the shepherd should take action to prevent this from happening.
As you said for about covid, the West is basically the lab rat. However, there are also costs in order to maximise security and go at it slow. This is where the appropriate balance should be found. For example, I think we all know that the dynamic zero covid strategy will only last for this year
As for the elderly, you can use soft coercive measures. The West has plenty of examples, just pick the good ones and transform them "with Chinese characteristics".
And for the recent Beijing cases, I personally think that it is much more capable on managing covid outbreaks than Shanghai. However, it is a gigantic city, so even if everything is working perfectly, it might still face difficulties. Let's wait for a few more days so we can see to extend Beijing has problems or not
I don't agree with this. We dont want old people to die. We should push for the old people to be vaccinated with 3-doses for their own safety first and foremost.
Don't forget that its these "old" people who have built China to what it is now. In addition its not like that they take too many resources, we shouldnt confuse the West with China. Old people in China are far less of a drag on China's budget than on Western countries.
Instead we should care about them and provide them with what they need. My main objection on covid is that rights go hand-to-hand with responsibilities.
The elderly are as usual stubborn, but that doesn't absolve them from their responsibility to be vaccinated (3-doses) to contribute to the country's economic development and to the younger generations. Everyone should contribute on his own way.
My main question is, what's the difficulty on having a 5 minute vaccine shot? Its not like i am asking for them to do something extraordinary difficult. Younger generations are taking big hits from these lockdowns and the elderly should understand that everyone must make sacrifices so that we pass this difficult period. You cant just freeload on someone's else sacrifice while you keep harping about the freedum to not vaccinate.
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solarz
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Chinese boomers are the most entitled generation alive right now. You said it yourself, they built China into what it is today. So who's going to tell them different?
I think vaccinations should be obligatory in China but from the first to the second dose there is a month or two lapse and a month or two to the third dose for the vaccine to be effective so China has no options than lockdown for now and force vaccinations.
Most likely it is impossible for now. The West has managed to do it though. This should be a learning opportunity
Yes. For now, as things stand, lockdowns need to continue until the elderly get vaccinated with 3-doses. Its simply unthinkable to open up now. Btw 2-dose vaccinated is not enough, we need 3-dose vaccination
Hopefully the rising deaths will convince more SH elderly to get vaccinated. This is a minimal risk they are taking to protect their children's welfare.