Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

KYli

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They should make the condition for districts to open up, if every bordering district around it also didn't detect cases for 14 days. Kind of like having a border state to prevent hostile countries having a direct access to your territory for war.
Guess they decided to seal off some of the high risk areas so other areas can go back to normal.
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In Shanghai, images of workers in white hazmat suits sealing entrances of housing blocks and closing off entire streets with green fencing - roughly two metres tall - went viral on social media, prompting questions and complaints from residents.
 

Coalescence

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Guess they decided to seal off some of the high risk areas so other areas can go back to normal.
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In Shanghai, images of workers in white hazmat suits sealing entrances of housing blocks and closing off entire streets with green fencing - roughly two metres tall - went viral on social media, prompting questions and complaints from residents.
Not sure why they need to seal the housing blocks, setting up checkpoints and barricades on the streets should be enough. Poor residents though, they're going through a lot, I hope they'll get through this all right.

I wonder though, do the government consider using air purifiers to reduce the covid particles flying indoors for self-isolation at home? I think this needs to be explored at least, to figure out a way to live with covid.
 

KYli

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Not sure why they need to seal the housing blocks, setting up checkpoints and barricades on the streets should be enough. Poor residents though, they're going through a lot, I hope they'll get through this all right.

I wonder though, do the government consider using air purifiers to reduce the covid particles flying indoors for self-isolation at home? I think this needs to be explored at least, to figure out a way to live with covid.
Too many leaks from residents in such areas. Many people are climbing out of barricades and checkpoints that resulted in another rise in cases in precaution area(14 days without covid).

High rise apartments are never really good option for quarantine. It doesn't matter what you do. You need a very good air ventilation in order to lower virus particles in door. Most residential buildings just don't have such system.
 

Coalescence

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High rise apartments are never really good option for quarantine. It doesn't matter what you do. You need a very good air ventilation in order to lower virus particles in door. Most residential buildings just don't have such system.
Air purifier could lower the amount of covid particulates in an local area like rooms, though not completely remove it but still better than having it spread freely in big amounts. Maybe for stores, buses and establishments it would be more useful to have these purifiers?
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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I'm not sure how much of them are false positive, but it should be statistically insignificant, China does multiple testing in order to make sure almost all cases get caught and to get a more accurate number, and I recall those sent to quarantine isolation will still be tested for covid until they are cleared.

The higher officials in Shanghai would be removed after the entire lockdown is over, some of the lower officials have already been removed in the early weeks of the lockdown. The lockdown covid procedures are being reexamined and altered in real time, like in Shanghai at the moment.

Not sure if Xi's losing hearts and minds, it seems like the netizens are generally blaming the local government, and begging the central government to intervene, and I don't think the vaccination policy is managed or decided by Xi, but I do agree they at least need to do some coercive measures to make the elderly to vaccinate, the incentivization method didn't found much success.

I don't see them dropping the ball, it looks more like the population became complacent because of the previous success of zero covid. Back when HK got an outbreak, a lot of people started rushing to getting vaccine, so maybe using the fear of outbreak be useful in coercing them to take the 3rd dose.

Although even if they can get to 85%+ 3 dose vaccination rate, they still can't open up without massive consequences, like hospitals being overwhelmed, work disruption from covid, long covid cases and the few percentage of unvaccinated people in absolute numbers being too large getting severe symptom or deaths.

In my opinion, if China wants to live with covid, they'll need to do the following:
1. Mass produce RAT kits, KN95 mask, covid prevention and treatment medicine, then create mandates and distribution for them.
2. Make better use of Covid tracking app, like setting up checkpoints that prevent those who didn't took PRC test in the last few days from entering through locational and big data monitoring, which can help in spread out testing.
3. Have all workers in the essential works like logistics and farming be tested everyday, and streamline their access through the checkpoint idea above or lockdown, to keep disruption at minimum.
4. Allow self-isolation at home, supplying them with the covid medicine, air disinfectant machine and food delivery.

The goal isn't zero-covid, but to slow the spread enough that it becomes endemic and not overwhelm the healthcare service. The people who use the term endemic to describe Omicron is misusing it, the spread is still too fast and would likely return in waves again in the future. After successfully controlling the outbreaks, China should keep watch for future variants, and research whether the vaccine effectiveness wanes overtime, requiring newer vaccines or boosters.
In my opinion, if you still need KN95’s, daily testing, contact tracing, self isolation, and etc even though you have Covid prevention medicines, then the medicines failed and you aren’t really living with the virus. It’ll just be a miserable existence. The flu runs around like crazy yet we don’t wear KN95’s 24/7 since our medicines and treatments are more than enough to beat it. Plus, long Covid is a major issue since if 10% of your populace can barely work, they will become a huge burden upon society and will drag the economy down. It’s the elephant in the room nobody, including many of the users here, seems to like to talk about despite many scientists warning about it in the past year.

So, in my opinion, in China’s case, China needs to mandate vaccines, especially among the elderly. Vaccines do work. In the US, the hospitalization rate skyrocketed mainly due to the sheer amount unvaccinated people being hospitalized. The hospitalization rate of vaccinated people was extremely low. After that, deaths and hospitalization rate should no longer be the main measurements that determine whether or not the virus is dangerous. The number of people who got long Covid is. Once the cure to long Covid is found and successful medicines and treatments are produced on a massive scale, we can truly “live” with the virus.
 

Coalescence

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In my opinion, if you still need KN95’s, daily testing, contact tracing, self isolation, and etc even though you have Covid prevention medicines, then the medicines failed and you aren’t really living with the virus. It’ll just be a miserable existence. The flu runs around like crazy yet we don’t wear KN95’s 24/7 since our medicines and treatments are more than enough to beat it. Plus, long Covid is a major issue since if 10% of your populace can barely work, they will become a huge burden upon society and will drag the economy down. It’s the elephant in the room nobody, including many of the users here, seems to like to talk about despite many scientists warning about it in the past year.

So, in my opinion, in China’s case, China needs to mandate vaccines, especially among the elderly. Vaccines do work. In the US, the hospitalization rate skyrocketed mainly due to the sheer amount unvaccinated people being hospitalized. The hospitalization rate of vaccinated people was extremely low. After that, deaths and hospitalization rate should no longer be the main measurements that determine whether or not the virus is dangerous. The number of people who got long Covid is. Once the cure to long Covid is found and successful medicines and treatments are produced on a massive scale, we can truly “live” with the virus.
Excellent and well articulated post! One thing I fear now is future covid variants being able to evade current vaccines, forcing us to start over our vaccination drive, and the possibility of long covid being incurable in some cases, because from what I read, the symptom varies from case by case basis, some managed to cure it naturally overtime or with treatments, while for others the symptoms still stayed even after a year and still isn't cured after visiting multiple doctors.
 

Strangelove

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Yeah...because Hong Kong (and SH) with ongoing cases are still orders of magnitude safer than western cities. These foreign "workers", reporters, teachers pedos, whatever.... returning to HK is indeed bad news, they put the city at risk again.

Look at Australia, absolutely ugly numbers... makes Shanghai look like Disneyland. (SH and Aust happen to have similar population sizes with SH being more urbanized/crowded)

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