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56860

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the issue with that is there will likely another variants, just like flu, each season ppl get a shot. its never ending of mutation, transmission. ppl just have to live with the flu. at some point the virus may have lower fatality rate. its playing catch with constant mutation and dominated strain.
It doesn’t matter which variants are out there because it’s only a matter of time before antibody levels decline again.

No matter how little or how much a variant escapes immunity, eventually it’s going to infect people again as past antibody levels drop.
 

Nutrient

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Effing thing is never gonna end :(.
Maybe the Zero Covid strategy won't ever end. As long as China continues to grow its real economy much faster than the US, I am fine with it. Has anyone considered that China's stronger growth is because of its successful Zero Covid program?

A second consideration is that China might be practicing for the real biowar assault from the US.

(Yeah, I expected to stay away from SDF for a year or more, but the Shanghai outbreak is a big concern to me.)
 

Coalescence

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Maybe the Zero Covid strategy won't ever end. As long as China continues to grow its real economy much faster than the US, I am fine with it. Has anyone considered that China's stronger growth is because of its successful Zero Covid program?

A second consideration is that China might be practicing for the real biowar assault from the US.

(Yeah, I expected to stay away from SDF for a year or more, but the Shanghai outbreak is a big concern to me.)
Agreed, even with the occasional lockdowns, China's economy is still growing strong. As for the second point, Its kind of true as well, especially now with news about bio-warfare labs being found in Ukraine, its almost certain that US is going to use bio warfare tactics in the future. For the Shanghai outbreak, it was mishandled catastrophically initially by the local officials, but its slowly getting resolved. Especially now with this news, the spread will soon be slowed down if R0 reaches below 1.

Shanghai's current round of epidemic spread index dropped to 1.23, the interpretation is here​

On April 15, Sun Chunlan, a member of the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China and Vice Premier of the State Council, revealed in an interview with CCTV that the spread of the current round of the epidemic in Shanghai has dropped from 2.27 to 1.23 now, and the goal of achieving social zero as soon as possible is just around the corner. She said that Omikron spreads rapidly, and vulnerable groups are still at great risk after being infected, so it is still necessary to speed up the prevention and control and win this annihilation battle as soon as possible.

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Remember that Omicron R0 is 10.
This outbreak would be a big lesson for the the central government to not trust all the local government with preparation and handling of the pandemic, so there needs to be more oversight by creating or improving organizations behind pandemic management, preparations by building up manufacturing for medical products and temporary shelters for patients, and logistics needed to sustain lockdowns if the worse case scenario happens. I think China can manage pretty well with their dynamic zero-covid strategy, as they learn more strategies and find ways to adapt to it.
 

Michaelsinodef

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Not only shots but also various over the counter medicines and the lack of fear of getting crippled. Yes, in my opinion, we’ll have to live with it, but the conditions to do so are certainly not met. Shanghai’s f**kup is more or less due to the local government’s failure to contain it and the unwillingness of the central government to purge and replace those who allowed it to happen. Compared to the other city officials that got fired due to their disastrous handling of the outbreak in their cities and despite the leaks that have been coming out from that city, Shanghai’s officials got off way too lightly, and I have no idea why.
I hope they get fired after the situation has gotten under control.

Edit seems like they do:
China usually only punished low level government official during the crisis. For high ranking officials, any punishment would only be announced after the crisis is over.
According to @KYli
 

getready

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I ABSOLUTELY HATE THAT GUY. For one hand he is always screaming out of his lung "OMG, COVID BAD" but when China do the right thing trying to contain COVID then he do a 180 and say "China is bad for trying to contain COVID", he is an idiot.
But that is the problem that the Chinese government is facing "every single COVID death" will be linked to the Chinese government whatever is true or not, lets suppose 300K in a wave, the media will smear every single one of those deaths as government failure. In order for China to end the covid zero strategy the government will have to make every COVID data a state secret and accuse of treason anyone leaking data to the western media or any western institutions.
I agree completely. For anyone who have followed Ding, we are aware that this guy has shown himself to be a chancer and attention seeking doofus. I recall the many times he had those alarmist posts about how particular outbreaks will be so damaging to the region and he is first to warn everyone about it, when it didn't come to reality he would just forget he ever posted that. Now he wants to diminish the actions of chinese government cause it's overkill. It's not that he can't make up his mind, he just wants the clicks. His only initial fame was from the beginning when he posted very early the outbreak in wuhan that it would be very serious and global pandemic. Since that he just been riding on the coattail of that.

Kinda disappointing to see sinosoldier actually uses this guy tweet to support his argument. It's definitely not one of his better moments.
 
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Even long covid can still stress health care services in a country. But I hope they'll find treatment for long covid complications, if they want really want to live with covid, then this is necessary.
Same over here. Since we have started policy of living with covid for many months now, more and more reports of long covid are coming out.


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Coalescence

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I agree completely. For anyone who have followed Ding, we are aware that this guy has shown himself to be a chancer and attention seeking doofus. I recall the many times he had those alarmist posts about how particular outbreaks will be so damaging to the region and he is first to warn everyone about it, when it didn't come to reality he would just forget he ever posted that. Now he wants to diminish the actions of chinese government cause it's overkill. It's not that he can't make up his mind, he just wants the clicks. His only initial fame was from the beginning when he posted very early the outbreak in wuhan that it would be very serious and global pandemic. Since that he just been riding on the coattail of that.

Kinda disappointing to see sinosoldier actually uses this guy tweet to support his argument. It's definitely not one of his better moments.
I actually used to follow him for news about new covid variants and long covid, but stopped paying attention to him after he decided to make a thread on Russia-Ukraine war, like what the hell is he doing talking about stuff outside of his expertise. Then I found out he's an associate in WEF, which made me more sus about his alignment. His post on Shanghai outbreak is his worse yet, filled with alarmism and misinterpretation, it really show how much of a charlatan and a grifter he is.
 

B.I.B.

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I just learned that my brothers wifes grandmother died a few days ago from Covid. She was 107yrs old and lived in a Hongkong old folks home. She had to go to a HK hospital for kidney treatment the week before and caught covid while there.
My brother and his wifes parents are over in HK for the funeral. I hope they don't catch covid while there. My brother accompanied them as they both are in their 80s.
Personally I think it is a bit risky going to HK at such an age.
 

SinoSoldier

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How does it feel to know that neither you nor him have any influence whatsoever on the Chinese government's decision-making? I'm not even talking minuscule influence, I'm talking absolute zero influence.

A better question is, how do the citizens of Shanghai/China feel about having no influence over these decisions or even a voice to be heard?
 
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