Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Coalescence

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I recall china already approved and bought huge numbers of anti covid pill plaxovid(?) from Pfizer. They also started allowing RAT kits to used. also hope that more effective vaccines against Omicron can be developed. Plus of course getting more unvaccinated elderly in China to get the shot.
Yes, they have approved of Paxlovid, what's concerning is whether there's ample supply of them and if Pfizer can even produce that much fast. Last I heard of it being used is in article about China is at Hongkong, where there's limited quantities of it, and because of that they only reserve it for use on elderly patients. The article is during when HK is experiencing a surge in cases, so I'm not sure how's the situation now with the supplies.
 

getready

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Yes, they have approved of Paxlovid, what's concerning is whether there's ample supply of them and if Pfizer can even produce that much fast. Last I heard of it being used is in article about China is at Hongkong, where there's limited quantities of it, and because of that they only reserve it for use on elderly patients. The article is during when HK is experiencing a surge in cases, so I'm not sure how's the situation now with the supplies.
I see. I am not aware of hk examples. As far as I know paxlovid is mainly administered to patients in hospitals who are more vulnerable to developing serious illness or even dying, not for mild or asymptomatic ones.

If china continue to implement fast response and prevent rapid spread of virus in communities, I think the supply of the drug should be okay. Then again I don't have the hard numbers to do a modelling test so this is an assumption.
 

Michaelsinodef

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It's time to end the lockdowns. At this rate, they're doing more societal, economic, and personal harm than good, and you bet it will be politicized.
It also be politicized if they follow what western countries do (expect 1-2 million people dead in less than a year at least, probably way more).

So all in all damned if you do, damned if you don't
 

SinoSoldier

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It also be politicized if they follow what western countries do (expect 1-2 million people dead in less than a year at least, probably way more).

So all in all damned if you do, damned if you don't
You're not going to end up with 1-2 million dead by opening up the economy when the Omicron variant is the predominant strain. Even if the CCP did not believe in the efficacy of its own vaccines, precedents set in other countries should make it clear that a gradual easing of restrictions, in tandem with basic prevention measures such as vaccine encouragement and masking, should be sufficient in keeping the virus at bay while allowing people to live their normal lives.

Sooner or later this will have to end, as it has become clear that COVID is here to stay with the human population.
 

Michaelsinodef

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You're not going to end up with 1-2 million dead by opening up the economy when the Omicron variant is the predominant strain. Even if the CCP did not believe in the efficacy of its own vaccines, precedents set in other countries should make it clear that a gradual easing of restrictions, in tandem with basic prevention measures such as vaccine encouragement and masking, should be sufficient in keeping the virus at bay while allowing people to live their normal lives.
China has a very low amount of ICU beds compared per 100k people compared to western countries, not to mention a lot of old and vulnerable people in the west has ALREADY died to covid earlier before the omicron strain (not to mention it might mutate more in China if lock downs were dropped).
Sooner or later this will have to end, as it has become clear that COVID is here to stay with the human population.
Yes, but ideally when and how should be on China's terms, not because government officials in Shanghai fucked up forcing China to stop their zero covid policy prematurely.
 

KYli

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You're not going to end up with 1-2 million dead by opening up the economy when the Omicron variant is the predominant strain.
That's a lie. Hong Kong has 9000 deaths due to Omicron already. A simple math would get you 9000 X 200 = 1.8 million deaths. Hong Kong uses predominantly Pfizer.

Even if the CCP did not believe in the efficacy of its own vaccines, precedents set in other countries should make it clear that a gradual easing of restrictions, in tandem with basic prevention measures such as vaccine encouragement and masking, should be sufficient in keeping the virus at bay while allowing people to live their normal lives.
Another lie. Other countries have demonstrated opening up would result in many deaths. South Korea which has not fully opened up has already 14,000 more deaths only for a few months. And South Korea is using your so called godsend Pfizer and Moderna with very high boosted rate. 14,000 X 30 = 420,000 just for three months.
 

daifo

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You're not going to end up with 1-2 million dead by opening up the economy when the Omicron variant is the predominant strain. Even if the CCP did not believe in the efficacy of its own vaccines, precedents set in other countries should make it clear that a gradual easing of restrictions, in tandem with basic prevention measures such as vaccine encouragement and masking, should be sufficient in keeping the virus at bay while allowing people to live their normal lives.

Sooner or later this will have to end, as it has become clear that COVID is here to stay with the human population.
I have to agree that China should not completely LOCK people into their houses. There have been 1 dense us cities like san francisco that handle covid pretty well thru out the pandemic with social distancing / junky cloth mask / personal responsibility/ outdoor eating. I am confident that if one try, they can refine the process for something like China. At the very least, let people out of their houses/apt with kn95s so they can get exercise and buy food to lower the level of anger.
 

KYli

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I have to agree that China should not completely LOCK people into their houses. There have been 1 dense us cities like san francisco that handle covid pretty well thru out the pandemic with social distancing / junky cloth mask / personal responsibility/ outdoor eating. I am confident that if one try, they can refine the process for something like China. At the very least, let people out of their houses/apt with kn95s so they can get exercise and buy food to lower the level of anger.
That's Alpha and Delta not Omicron. Shanghai, South Korea and Hong Kong have handled Alpha and Delta pretty well without lock down and only minor inconvenient.
 
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