Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Coalescence

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The supply chain is leaving China, as the shutdown of factories continues.
It would take more than temporary disruption for the supply chain to truly move away from China. There's just too much benefit to be basing your factories in China, like close proximity to China's large consumption base and to other Asia states, and the cost is great as those factories or market share can get taken up by your competitor, and you'll lose the bigger profit margin from China's optimization and efficiency of industries and resources. You can't just relocate all your factories and specialist in China, It takes a lot of money, time and availability of opportunity which is why you don't see that often.

Other countries are not faring that well either, like with Europe and US having PPI in double-digits, experiencing long wait times and shortages for delivery, and finding it hard to find workers to work in their industries. For EU, there is a massive headwind coming their way, as they are being cut off from cheap Russian commodities and resources, if you want a factor that is long-term and can incentivize moving supply chain away from a country, then this is a good example of it.

I'm getting tired of hearing media pundits harping on that China is going to lose their supply chain, they've been saying this for like decades already. There are many factors and elements considered by businesses whether to stay or invest in a country, its an incredibly complex subject, and you can't always just simplify it to one event or factor.
 

supersnoop

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It would take more than temporary disruption for the supply chain to truly move away from China. There's just too much benefit to be basing your factories in China, like close proximity to China's large consumption base and to other Asia states, and the cost is great as those factories or market share can get taken up by your competitor, and you'll lose the bigger profit margin from China's optimization and efficiency of industries and resources. You can't just relocate all your factories and specialist in China, It takes a lot of money, time and availability of opportunity which is why you don't see that often.

Other countries are not faring that well either, like with Europe and US having PPI in double-digits, experiencing long wait times and shortages for delivery, and finding it hard to find workers to work in their industries. For EU, there is a massive headwind coming their way, as they are being cut off from cheap Russian commodities and resources, if you want a factor that is long-term and can incentivize moving supply chain away from a country, then this is a good example of it.

I'm getting tired of hearing media pundits harping on that China is going to lose their supply chain, they've been saying this for like decades already. There are many factors and elements considered by businesses whether to stay or invest in a country, its an incredibly complex subject, and you can't always just simplify it to one event or factor.

Not to get too off topic, but I am also sick of hearing this too. It’s always way too oversimplified in the media (perhaps to make China seem weak). People seem to think that all that needs to be done is build a factory and iPhones come out of it like magic.

The most ignored element of the system is the vocational educational system in China, one could almost call it ruthless in a way. If you aren’t going to University, you’re going to be steered to something like sewing machine operator or forklift driver. Baristas don’t really need a Masters in 17th century erotic Swiss literature
 

KYli

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Not sure who picks this conversation to translate. As unlike other conversation, this conversation is about an elderly couldn't get CT scan and couldn't get admitted to the hospital.

In the contrary to what the author intended to converse, this conversation shows that the Shanghai hospitals are already overwhelmed with covid patients that they are unable to take in some patients that already have symptoms.

So this conversation would support the necessary of lock down as without lock down many patients wouldn't even get treated like Hong Kong and many Western countries during previous waves because they don't have resources to save everyone.
 

Quickie

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本土病例2999例 new symptomatic cases (Shanghai 上海2573例 and Jilin 吉林325例)
本土26318例 new asymptomatic cases (Shanghai 上海25146例 and Jilin 吉林674例)

It looks to me China only classifies the case as confirmed if there is x-ray evidence of pneumonia or maybe other physical symptoms?
Asymptomatic cases that come with a returned positive test do not register as confirmed COVID-19 cases?

The supply chain is leaving China, as the shutdown of factories continues.

This doesn't quite square with the increase in China's trade figure for March 2022.

"..... China’s trade surplus jumped to USD 47.38 billion in March 2022, up from USD 11.83 billion in the same month a year earlier, easily beating market forecasts of USD 22.4 billion. Export extended their double-digit growth, increasing by 14.7 percent yoy; while imports fell 0.1 percent, the first drop since August 2020. ....."

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tokenanalyst

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No matter what Chinese government do they always are gonna be called "evil", the Chinese government could isolate Shanghai from the rest of China and just let the virus run rampant in what looks like a city of and excuse my words "pampered people" (Because Shanghai is not the only Chinese city that has done sacrifices for the rest of the country, just ask the entire province of Jilin who has been in lockdown for a month), this gentleman looks like he ha some underlying condition and he is very old age so there are some chances that he will occupy a ventilator or die (but who cares he old and he was gonna die anyway). That will required a gigantic level of censorship to avoid the f**king Western media, arrest and give jail time to anyone with a camera anywhere close to a health facility, stop reporting cases. Americans will cry "BUH MY NUMBERS BRO" but just give them the middle finger and carry on.
In the eyes of Western media the Chinese government is "bad" no matter what they do, if they adopt the inhumane Swedish model (that for some reason you don't hear about in Western mainstream media) they are gonna be called "evil" for let ~300K their vunerable population die in a covid wave and If they try to save lives they are still gonna be called evil because "MUH FREEDOM".
Personally I am on the camp that if because Western Bias people are gonna call you "evil" not matter what, at least let them call you evil for doing the right thing and most people would agree that saving lives is the right thing to do.
My personal opinion.
 

T-U-P

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It looks to me China only classifies the case as confirmed if there is x-ray evidence of pneumonia or maybe other physical symptoms?
Asymptomatic cases that come with a returned positive test do not register as confirmed COVID-19 cases?
AFAIK only Shanghai is classifying it that way, which is why you see Shanghai's asymptomatic cases are 10x more than symptomatic cases, whereas in all regions the ratio is closer to 2:1 or 1:1. The way Shanghai does this is very misleading for other cities around it, because I think it impacts the way your health QR code works.
 
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