Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

solarz

Brigadier
Do you see which country is so defensive about the flu now?
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领导回答,对的。要被逼疯了,她们专业机构也要被逼疯了,专业人员说的话根本就没人听。现在全部把这个病变成了政z性的一个疾病。花了这么多的人力物力财力……就在做一个防L感的,你看到现在哪个国家防流感这么防吗?

领导还说,那这一轮的话,不是应该抓紧时间提高接种率嘛。我提案写过好几次了,知道不?所以你不要认为,我们医护人员或者专业人员都是饭桶,我们都知道重点是什么?但是没人听。

I don't get it. Which country is defensive about the flu? What does the linked article have to do with it?
 

solarz

Brigadier
It used to be 50/50 or 60/40 before Shanghai abnormal asymptomatic cases.

Just because it used to be that way doesn't mean it will always be that way. It just means the current strain is more transmissible but less virulent, which is actually a trend we've been seeing since Delta.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Disagree completely. There's no shame in having the central government step in, especially considering Shanghai is a 直辖市, i.e. directly under the control of the central government.
No shame. Shanghai was announcing that it would not lock down, then within 48 hours Shanghai announced that it would lock down and do mass testing. The central government sent its vice premier with all provinces mobilized. If Shanghai has no shame, then Wuhan should haven't shame either. Xian should be declared outstanding. Shanghai media was attacking Xian for its failure just sometime ago.
I saw the source you provided, and I'm not convinced either. That was just an opinion piece by a retiree, neither representative of the CDC, nor a particularly convincing example of refutation.
So you mean Zhong Nanshan who came out and said that living with covid is wrong at the same time didn't mean anything.
So what if the military is sending in medical assistance? That's not "mobilizing", it's just what the PLA does.
It meant Shanghai had failed. Shanghai as the China financial center with the most medical resources failed.
I don't get it. Which country is defensive about the flu? What does the linked article have to do with it?
I just translated what the Shanghai government official said. She said no country would treat a flu with such measures and it is political disease.
Just because it used to be that way doesn't mean it will always be that way. It just means the current strain is more transmissible but less virulent, which is actually a trend we've been seeing since Delta.
It is the same strain. Just look at the China CDC data before Shanghai came along.
 
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SanWenYu

Captain
Registered Member
TCM isn't Pfizer pill alternatives but they can be taken together to have better results. It is never one nor the other. It is what work the best or what work the best together.
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I am not a fan of TCM. I believe that TCM has its place but unfortunately the current practioners are ruining it. For example, there still isn't a convincing scientific analysis of how Lianhua Qingwen (莲花清瘟) works and its true effectiveness. The TCM jargons just do not make sense.

But, if I was in a hospital bed with covid, I would not mind taking TCM in addition to the regular treatments. :p
 

KYli

Brigadier
I am not a fan of TCM. I believe that TCM has its place but unfortunately the current practioners are ruining it. For example, there still isn't a convincing scientific analysis of how Lianhua Qingwen (莲花清瘟) works and its true effectiveness. The TCM jargons just do not make sense.

But, if I was in a hospital bed with covid, I would not mind taking TCM in addition to the regular treatments. :p
I am not for or against TCM. As long as WHO and China CDC confirmed TCM has positive effects on covid or other diseases then TCM can be used more widely.
 

solarz

Brigadier
I am not a fan of TCM. I believe that TCM has its place but unfortunately the current practioners are ruining it. For example, there still isn't a convincing scientific analysis of how Lianhua Qingwen (莲花清瘟) works and its true effectiveness. The TCM jargons just do not make sense.

But, if I was in a hospital bed with covid, I would not mind taking TCM in addition to the regular treatments. :p

Well that's the advantage of TCM, there generally very little side effects for most of the common medicines.
 

texx1

Junior Member
So your relative only had speculation. He (or she) just thought that the hospitals must have been filled up with covid patients. Because he did not see all these covid patients in the hospital he went, so he concluded that the authorities must have been cooking the numbers. Seriously?

I kept saying that, according to the latest edition of the covid guidance, asymptomatic and mild cases are no longer required to be hospitalized. I also cited that Guancha interview to show you how the quarantine facilities in Shanghai are taking care of asym. and mild cases. In other words, I have been trying to tell you that, because the guidance has changed, there are not as many covid patients in hospitals unless they turn into moderate cases with pneumonia.

Guess you did not read what I said all along.



I don't know on what conditions a region must be declared high risk for covid. Therefore I cannot say if it makes sense or not for Shanghai not declaring any high risk area.

Either way, it is not an evidence for accusing them cooking numbers. It is like I cannot accuse you for robbing banks only because you drive Ferrari and drink champagne.

As I mentioned in my earlier reply. The guidance is about treatment, not reporting. Hence, the name is treatment guideline. (新型冠状病毒肺炎诊疗方案)

Here is the 9th, newest version of the Covid treatment guideline you like to talk so much about. It contains no mention of how one reports/classifies asymptomatic covid cases.

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You can read it yourself.

I explained what my relative told me about the reason for Shanghai to have a strange asy/sy ratio. And I have already listed my reasons for believing him as well. You are certainly free to disagree.
 

getready

Senior Member
TCM isn't Pfizer pill alternatives but they can be taken together to have better results. It is never one nor the other. It is what work the best or what work the best together.
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Yes I dun see any wrong with using tcm as an comolimentary treatment along side modern medicine. It's no like patient need to choose one type only. AFAIK there's isn't any interference combining both treatments or any side effects with tcm.
 
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