Wats your take on how shanghai manage to get where it is now? From my view, they escaped major outbreak so many times before this when other parts of China experienced multiple outbreaks? Is it just due to the very infectious omicron?
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Shanghai had a few close calls before this outbreak. I think they grow overconfident after awhile especially after all those media hype.
A few mistakes were made. First, Shanghai hosted Hong Kongers in a hotel that doesn't have good air ventilation and not suitable for quarantine. The hotel is located at a densely populated area. It is a clear sign of mismanagement and overconfident.
Second, allowing its own media to hype up the Shanghai precision model and attacking others such as Xian for using brute force method. Consequently, when its precision method failed to contain the virus, Shanghai refused to acknowledge its failure. That is a sign of playing politics over fighting pandemic.
Third, It is too obsessed with economic costs of lock down, reputation, and self important that it keep dragging its feet to do the inevitable of lock down. Putting economic interest over saving lives. Ending up spreading the virus all over China.
In addition using its vast medical resources to artificially keeping symptomatic cases low to avoid being designated as a high risk area which caused the virus to spread to other provinces.
Last, I do think the much more contagious Omicron B2 is ultimately the force that bought down the fortress of Shanghai. Similarly, Hong Kong was able to eliminate Delta by using only social distancing and over night lock down testing but Omicron took just a few weeks to bring Hong Kong to its knee.
Whoever allowed this behaviour to take hold should be purged lol.
Jokes aside, this puts a final nail in the coffin of the idea of using a western approach to handle COVID
solarz
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I think Shanghai was/is an experiment in opening up.
The thing is, we know Omicron is highly contagious, but we haven't seen much severe cases so far. Chinese authorities are being understandably cautious, but I think China is still moving toward a more relaxed approach, albeit slowly.
PeoplesPoster
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So how many deaths have occurred in China from Covid in this latest surge if we discount HK? Is it less than 50? 20? 10? MSM is of course making it sound like the bodies are piling up.
Zero.
What choice is there at this point? Anything else is just kicking the can down the road.
Surprised/Not Surprised... was reading an article about the recent spike and the inevitable "CHINESE INACTIVATED VACCINES DON'T WORK. CHINA SHOULD APPROVE PFIZER AND MODERNA" was a central theme, maybe @Tyler writes for that site
The choice the government is taking now is experimenting with different methods on each of the provinces to see if they could keep the severity and spread of the virus to stable levels, then do a cost/benefit analysis on whether to continue with their strategy or pursue a different one. Unlike the Western style of lifting all restrictions and letting it rip within their population, which has big economic and social cost on the population.
And yes its expected they'll write something like that, their media is paid by those companies to do misinformation/downplay on the effectiveness of other vaccines, while overexaggerate their own. If we use their own metrics, then South Korea shows why Pfizer and Moderna doesn't work and that they should approve Sinovac and Coronavac.
The most ridiculous thing I didn't even mention, it got a basic fact wrong
They said Hong Kong depends on Chinese vaccines and all the deaths showed it was a mistake.
As pointed out by @KYli, majority of vaccines administered was Biontech
They did (or maybe it was in the comments) correctly mention that most of the older folks that died were unvaccinated either way.
I wouldn't say Western style in general. Basically only UK and US have done such wild reopening. Ontario actually locked back down to the point of no people at sporting events and that left the Raptors as the only team in the NBA to play in an empty arena for about a month.
In this case, China's government has a major advantage because it doesn't have to care about population politics in addition to internal politics.