Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

Phead128

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Excess deaths is difficult to estimate.
Epidemiologists use excess deaths as a general guidance towards the magnitude and direction of extra deaths, not necessarily need exact precise numbers. This is still extremely valuable since official reporting tends to underestimate true mortality rate, so it's an extra metric to triangulate the magnitude or direction of extra deaths, not the exact number.
First, the lock down disrupted the economy, which caused poverty, which causes deaths.
Partially correct, there is mental-health issues such as overdosing or suicides to take into account, but autopsies do give you numbers for those deaths so you can adjust. Deaths caused by poverty is more tricky, however most Americans were on unemployment assistance and US economy shrunk only -3.5% GDP, which is large, but not enough for mass-deaths. See US economy shrinking -30% GDP in 1930 Great Depression, far fewer deaths than you think from that era due to safety net programs.
Furthermore, due to population increase, a lot of of the estimated excess deaths is actually increase in natural deaths due to population increase.
Good thing excessive mortality calculations takes into account the average baseline death rate over 3 year period (2016-2019) which will account for multi-year increase in natural deaths and population increase since you are not do a cross-sectional sampling of a single year (2019), but multi-year average of baseline death rates to account for population rate changes.
 

Abominable

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Opinion: China needs to step in and override the incompetent policy of HongKong. It is no longer about sovereignty and saving face for the agreement. If HongKong is allowed to become crazy it will affect rest of China. It will cause national lock downs and the economic downfall that follows. I think it is worth to break a few promise and get Hong Kong covid down as soon as they can.
Given the most likely peaceful solution to Taiwan is the one country two system model, I think it's worth leaving Hong Kong be for now.

Although if reaches western style levels of incompetency then there may be no choice.
 

Tyler

Captain
Registered Member
Opinion: China needs to step in and override the incompetent policy of HongKong. It is no longer about sovereignty and saving face for the agreement. If HongKong is allowed to become crazy it will affect rest of China. It will cause national lock downs and the economic downfall that follows. I think it is worth to break a few promise and get Hong Kong covid down as soon as they can.
Hong Kong is actually more competent in using mRMA vaccines, and making a balance between containing covid and keeping the economy functioning.
 

Tyler

Captain
Registered Member
Hong Kong is so competent that it has 5 waves of outbreaks, lowest GDP growth among greater China even after 100 billions HKD handouts and tax relief, and highest covid mortality rate in greater China.
Hong Kong per capita gdp is already among the highest in Greater China. Hong Kong is now opening up the next couple of months, further boosting gdp growth, while Shanghai people are now lining up for more testing, but not more boosting.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Hong Kong per capita gdp is already among the highest in Greater China. Hong Kong is now opening up the next couple of months, further boosting gdp growth, while Shanghai people are now lining up for more testing, but not more boosting.
What is HK per captia GDP has anything to do with this. Hong Kong economic growth is much slower than China for the last 2 years. Hong Kong has 7000 deaths due to covid in this wave already. It still has thousands cases per day. Hong Kong isn't going to be opened up in the next couple months. Hong Kong is a failure no matter how you measure this.
 

Tyler

Captain
Registered Member
What is HK per captia GDP has anything to do with this. Hong Kong economic growth is much slower than China for the last 2 years. Hong Kong has 7000 deaths due to covid in this wave already. It still has thousands cases per day. Hong Kong isn't going to be opened up in the next couple months. Hong Kong is a failure no matter how you measure this.
If Hong Kong is a failure, than how would you describe India, Japan, Korea, the US and the UK?
 
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