Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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What western propaganda does to someone.
And we Hong Kongers death tolls have risen to over 3500. By time of the covid is contained, Hong Kong would have like over 7000 new deaths due to covid. I am against any reopening until second generation vaccines that work well against Omicron are available and over 95% of population is vaccinated and boosted.
Quickie
Colonel
Lockdown in Shenzhen incoming. This is the first full scale lockdown in Shenzhen. China will get through this.
Some western media were reporting the Omicron variant in China as if it's some sort of a face-saver for them if China finally proves to be unable to get the virus under control.
Falling cases in countries such as Cambodia, the Philippines, and Indonesia prove that the Omicron variant can still be defeated.
And it's probably not so incidental that these countries have been using mostly inactivated vaccines from China?
solarz
Brigadier
I had heard there was a big outbreak in Shanghai, but reading this I laughed out loud. 5-11 symptomatic cases daily. What a joke! Ontario is dropping all restrictions with hundreds of daily cases.
Asymptotic cases? China has got to be the only country in the world right now tracking asymptomatic cases.
What sucks is that my grandmother is affected by the measures. Her retirement home is on lockdown, residents can't even go to the garden.
China can certainly afford to keep on locking down only selective effected areas occasionally as needed until the time she finds a safe off ramp strategy or vaccines, and would come out in far better shape than the dog breakfast that collective west made out of this pandemics. Numbers are the proof that your line of thinking is in denial over China's very robust success in managing a kind of once-a-century public health crisis. That's the life and work balance, productivity vs. well-being choices, being practiced at the national level, that no other society or civilization on earth managed to pull off. Open your eyes a little bit and you can see China values her citizens more than a group of white old men in power does.
According to the data released in Feburary, the Chinese vaccines provided protection against Delta and Omicron comparable to the mRNA ones. See my post #17646 in this thread.
Shanghai just released a detailed breakdown of the 6 + 55 new cases reported on Mar 13, with the vaccination information of each case. But it does not say whether the "fully vaccined" cases took the booster shot or not.
Out of the 6 symptomatic cases, 1 male of 78 yo is not vaccined. This patient, and another male of 58 yo, were asymptomatic then turned symptomatic.
In the 55 asymptomatic cases, I counted 10 of them did not have full vaccination, including 3 kids below 10 yo.
"On this day til 5pm, Shanghai health authority has tested and traced 8985 persons who could have had 'immediate contacts' (密接) with an infected person, and 27548 persons who could have had 'close contacts' (次密接). So far, 8520 of the 8985 immediate contacts cases are negative, 27322 of the 27548 close contacts cases are negative, with the rest still under investigation."
I don't remember having seen 次密接 before. If it is indeed a new category, Shanghai is refining the process.
In the past 4 to 5 days, Shanghai has had confirmed cases, symptomatic or not, reported all over the place, it is safe to assume that the spread has been going on for longer. Even with the median incubation period of 5 to 6 days (Omicron is said to have shorter incubation period), we should have seen the curve rising up quickly. But it is not the case for Shanghai. The curve has been flat. The total cases reported have been almost constant, between 50 and 100, for each day.
One possible explanation would be that the vaccines have protected most of whom were exposed from being infected.
Another possibility would be that there are still large number of infected persons not counted by the health authority because it has not done enough PCR tests and contact tracing. Such uncounted cases are likely without any symptoms to be notified.
Or it could be a bit of both.
We will see in a few days.
Can you still buy enough rice and instant noodles from the supermarket?
I am not in HK right now. My relatives in HK are doing fine. Supermarket usually just restock a day or two later.