Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Sardaukar20]

Interesting, I never seen the comparison before between regions in greater China. Just by numbers you can tell hk really FUBARed their whole covid situation. A place of abput 7m people with deaths approaching whole of mainland. And they had many warnings and even close experience with SARS prior to this.

macao rarely mentioned but they actually performed well. I wonder how they did it with massive casino operations making up most of their economy. And lastly tw, after their initial vaccine Feck up, appears they are doing better. Although their deaths are slightly higher than Australia despite slightly smaller population

I think China authorities will take advice from who but ultimately they decide for themselves when conditions are suitable for opening up slowly. There were indications it was after winter Olympics but since both who and China recognize omicron isn't just like flu, it didn't happen. Plus of course hk disaster happened. Although mainland has higher percentage of vaccination and boosted population than hk.

Agreed. HK really FUBARed. Its mostly to do with their democrazy populace, rather than their govt and the reasonable HKgers.

The HK govt can only do so much when the democrazy horde refuses to cooperate. They've held protests, and refused vaccination. They trust in their democrazy more than science. But the virus won't care. The end result is obvious. These democrazies would for a long time become the scar of HK. I think HK will never truly recover its once great reputation prior to 2019.

 

[56860]

No. Don't believe the stereotype. He won't be executed or locked up for life. He will lose his job. He might get fines and jail time. But nothing of that extreme.

I read wrongly and was under the impression he was a party official. Since he's a school principal he'll get off way lighter.

 

[56860]

On the bright side, if China manages to control the current Omicron outbreak which has spread over several provinces and has exploded to over 1000 cases per day, there will be a lot of confidence that China can continue its strategy indefinitely (until a new variant at least).

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Don't think so. At least not at the moment. Don't read too much into the number of cases. Jilin outbreak was due to a college principal decided not to report cases. Other places would implement soft lock down first before pivot to a hard lock down. I am more worried about since so many provinces have cases, they would have difficult to stamp out the virus at the same time.

I think the new outbreak would put an end to targeted lock down. Shanghai's model of surgical lock down is difficult to implement in other places. Beside, Shanghai is having difficulty to stamp out the virus with this method this time due to Omicron being more contagious.

Jilin outbreak was due to a college principal decided not to report cases

Why the f did he do that?

 

[56860]

Why the f did he do that?

There's stupid people in every country. With a stable and less degenerate society China is more protected from the far-right pseudoscience nonsense that has proliferated in western 'democracies' during COVID, but is by no means immune.

If this college professor was in a western 'democracy' he would probably be hailed as a hero.

 

[tokenanalyst]

Well their testing capabilities is well above the virus, since most of the cases that they are catching are asymptomatic.
I have notice that when cases increase in neighboring countries is when you see the possibility of an outbreak in China, i think the Chinese should have an alert system depending the Covid situation in neighboring countries, the more cases in those countries that higher the alert, the more precautions are needed.
Another thing is that CFR of this virus is dropping, now stand in 0.13% instead of the 4.5% of the original virus but still higher than the flu 0.05% and more contagious, probably in a few mutations will drop to flu levels of CFR.

 

[56860]

Well their testing capabilities is well above the virus, since most of the cases that they are catching are asymptomatic.
I have notice that when cases increase in neighboring countries is when you see the possibility of an outbreak in China, i think the Chinese should have an alert system depending the Covid situation in neighboring countries, the more cases in those countries that higher the alert, the more precautions are needed.
Another thing is that CFR of this virus is dropping, now stand in 0.13% instead of the 4.5% of the original virus but still higher than the flu 0.05% and more contagious, probably in a few mutations will drop to flu levels of CFR.

Is CFR severity?

If so it doesn't need to drop by much (relative to the original strain) for it to reach flu levels.

 

[KYli]

Why the f did he do that?

Guess he just thinks he could keep the cases under wraps.

 

[tokenanalyst]

Is CFR severity?

If so it doesn't need to drop by much (relative to the original strain) for it to reach flu levels.

I not an epidemiologist or a virologist but it could be related to severity (numbers of death/number of infections), as people worldwide develop immunity either by vaccination or infection there could be strong evolutionary selective pressure for the virus to infect more in the upper respiratory tract (the nose and the throat) instead of the lungs. A higher viral load close the throat and the nose can infect more people but at the same time reduce the possibility of developing pneumonia that could lead to organ failure and death.

 

[56860]

Lockdown in Shenzhen incoming. This is the first full scale lockdown in Shenzhen. China will get through this.