Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[solarz]

Last, consider the example of the flu surveillance system from Guangzhou. The data gathered was very reassuring, but we wouldn't even know they had the data if WHO hadn't sent an expert team there. Seriously, you are doing a lot of very hard work, what's the point of not letting the public know about it? All levels of the Chinese government need to learn to communicate with the public instead of only communicate to their superiors. The easist way to make them coomunicate is to require them to communicate unless there are good reasons not to.

Because CCP officials are promoted based on their ability to get stuff done. They have very little, if any, training in public relations and media management.

Public relations work is not "free". You also can't just hire a PR manager and delegate everything. PR work requires a lot of effort and resources from the subjects themselves. Worse yet, it trains the subjects to think in terms of image instead of substance.

I am actually glad the Chinese bureaucracy is so bad at PR. When Chinese officials screw up, they only know how to cover it up, and they're not very good at it, so everyone still ends up knowing what happened. When Western officials screw up, most of the time they spin it as something positive, and their voter base eats it up, and the public gets boiled down in endless debates that go nowhere.

 

[Chish]

I am baffled by the US government advices on face mask.
The surgeon general wants Americans to stop buying face masks

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He is the higest ranking American doctor. He claimed that face masks are no good for the general public in preventing COVID-19. He tweeted :
"They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!"

He is asking the American public to stop buying masks so that healthcare providers can get them. This is due to a shortages of masks in America. How is it that masks are necessary for healthcare providers to protect themselves while the same masks are not effrective in preventing the public from catching the virus? Doesn't every American have the same right to protect themselves? Now I know America is compeletely unprepaired. Not only masks but test-kits are also scarce and take a long time to get results.

 

[Phoenix_Rising]

Any forum members from Texas, esp San Antonio?

One was mistakenly released and had been roaming in city for 3 days untill her test result turned out to be positive.
She was evacuated from Wuhan, later put under quarentine in the Lackland Airforce Base. USCDC ratified to release her on Feb. 29.
However on yesterday, the CDC says they got a second test result showing weak positive on COVID-19.
Public areas she has went to include a holiday hotel near the airport, a shoppingmall named like "polaris".
Mayor Ron Nirenberg has declared San Antonio into emergency.

This shouldn't happen if they learn something from Chinese or respect WHO's advice.

Becareful everybody there.

 

[hydrogenpi]

@
Phoenix_Rising
wouldn't this order also give them the power to essentially start snatching people off the streets as long as they claim their contact tracing lead to reasonable or even just probable cause/grounds of there being a potential infection/connection?

Other news I heard in some states National Guard already out in force.

 

[hydrogenpi]

I am baffled by the US government advices on face mask.
The surgeon general wants Americans to stop buying face masks

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He is the higest ranking American doctor. He claimed that face masks are no good for the general public in preventing COVID-19. He tweeted :
"They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can't get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!"

He is asking the American public to stop buying masks so that healthcare providers can get them. This is due to a shortages of masks in America. How is it that masks are necessary for healthcare providers to protect themselves while the same masks are not effrective in preventing the public from catching the virus? Doesn't every American have the same right to protect themselves? Now I know America is compeletely unprepaired. Not only masks but test-kits are also scarce and take a long time to get results.

China shouldn't sell/ship US any masks or medicines either. Wasn't just a few weeks ago Wilber Ross talking about how this virus was going to be good for America and bring jobs back and all that? Let them make it themselves. Something something about Sick Man of Asia? Then even when China was down at its worst moment, they still talking about killing Huawei and forcing TSMC not to sell to China etc... So why should China give any masks or medicial supplies to America when it has its own citizens to take care of first? They wanted a decoupling, well recent events might have just accelerated that. China First.

 

[shanlung]

China shouldn't sell/ship US any masks or medicines either. Wasn't just a few weeks ago Wilber Ross talking about how this virus was going to be good for America and bring jobs back and all that? Let them make it themselves. Something something about Sick Man of Asia? Then even when China was down at its worst moment, they still talking about killing Huawei and forcing TSMC not to sell to China etc... So why should China give any masks or medicial supplies to America when it has its own citizens to take care of first? They wanted a decoupling, well recent events might have just accelerated that. China First.

Everything you described is correct.
BUT, China is not like that.

China is not going to draw cartoons lampooning the West or other countries, or to gloat over the miseries there.
AND I do believe China will reach out as best as she can to help the West in combating covid19.

BUT China will not forget those insults and gloatings done onto her.
And neither should we.
China will have the last laugh.

 

[Jura The idiot]

"We estimated that 75815 individuals (95% CrI 37304–130330) individuals had been infected in Greater Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020."

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appears to be an amazingly accurate prediction (I know I quoted it already Feb 10, 2020) considering it's made in January!

 

[Phoenix_Rising]

wouldn't this order also give them the power to essentially start snatching people off the streets as long as they claim their contact tracing lead to reasonable or even just probable cause/grounds of there being a potential infection/connection?

Isolating all possible close-contacts is something should be done ASAP.
I don't know much about US Codes, but I believe such power is necessary facing a possible pandemic, as long as:
It is granted to right personnel with wise, duty and kindness.
People are educated about the situation and why the should cooperate.
Essential substances are prepared.
Protocols are designed and edited only for people's benefit.

What the American failed to learn is this:
Chinese officials have already told everyone this virus is very decieving, fake negative is inevitable even after multiple tests.
China turned to a "Include by CT photo and sypmtom first, exclude by RT-PCR later" protocol to make sure no virus could sneak out the quarantine.
However, how did the US gov and media interpret such information?
NUMBERS are MANIPULATED somehow so do not trust China amyway.

 

[Phoenix_Rising]

China shouldn't sell/ship US any masks or medicines either. Wasn't just a few weeks ago Wilber Ross talking about how this virus was going to be good for America and bring jobs back and all that? Let them make it themselves. Something something about Sick Man of Asia? Then even when China was down at its worst moment, they still talking about killing Huawei and forcing TSMC not to sell to China etc... So why should China give any masks or medicial supplies to America when it has its own citizens to take care of first? They wanted a decoupling, well recent events might have just accelerated that. China First.

Me first is an US thing.
Tit-for-tat is for normal man.
What the Volksrepublik is proposing now, is "the Community of Humanity with a Shared Destiny".

Chinese will officially offer aid to US, that's for everything the human should stand for.

Although by my own perspective, the aid to US should be lesser and later than those to:
Russia, Belarus, Japan, S.Korea (for the abundunce and urgency of their aid),
Pakistan, Comoro Islands, Vanuatu, many African states etc. (for their sincerity within their help),
every other country who send help to China(at least they gave something China need).

As for whether the US gov would accept the offer, or how would the media depict it, that's a story for another day, but I don't hold any optimistic expectation on that.

btw:
The country deserves a harsh payback is not US, but India.
The US, despite a big fat 0 offcial aid, despite all those politics and trade bullshit, at least remains basic humanitarian for not to block donations from individual, company and NGO.
Things India gov did simply exposed what pure evil means.

 

[shanlung]

Take a look at these numbers.
Now we can see why USA got so few coviders.
Because USA hardly did any tests at all.
Muricans spend too much time gloating over China and planning
how to kick China when China was down, mealy mouthing how Democracy and Freedom will win over bad bad commies any time.
Sending millions into Hongkong to finance their pet rioters and hurlers of petrol bombs to wave USA and UK flags for Freedom and Democratic rights.

And Muricans and their backers and brown nosers dared to scream away China not at all transparent over covid numbers!
And what Muricans doing now? Refusing to show the numbers of tests they did after March 1.
The height of 'Murican hypocrisy and double talk.

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ROTFLMAO.