Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[Gatekeeper]

Regarding "free speech" it is interesting to note that American Offical medical specialists or scientists must get clearance from the Whitehouse before they can talk publicly on Covid19. Officials Must get approval from the vice-president office before they can talk publicly so that they can coordinate information with out confusing the public.

Yes, if China did that, it will be all over the front pages as another example of the big bad draconian regime!

 

[dratsabknihcllik]

Btw has anyone got any update on either of the following points?
1. Has the animal species that introduced the virus been traced?
2. Is there any hypothesis that with increasing ambient temperature the severity will decrease?

 

[OppositeDay]

According to the national data, fever clinics went from seeing 46,000 people per day at one point and it’s now down to 1,000. So there’s been a huge drop in numbers into the feeder system.

The Chinese government has a lot to learn about transparency. Like the fever clinics visits numbers, why wasn't they disclosing it daily? Or the daily number of RT-PCR tests performed? One of the biggest problems with the Chinese government is that secrecy is the default. To choose to disclose information is to take on responsibilities, and nobody likes to take on responsibilities when there's nothing to gain from it. They must make it so that disclosing information is the default and one has to take responsibility when they choose not to disclose.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

The Chinese government has a lot to learn about transparency. Like the fever clinics visits numbers, why wasn't they disclosing it daily? Or the daily number of RT-PCR tests performed? One of the biggest problems with the Chinese government is that secrecy is the default. To choose to disclose information is to take on responsibilities, and nobody likes to take on responsibilities when there's nothing to gain from it. They must make it so that disclosing information is the default and one has to take responsibility when they choose not to disclose.

What are talking they have daily briefing on the situation in Wuhan. They do tally the number of newly infected and the number of death every day. You can see the trend is going downward in Wuhan only 200 newly infected and they even closed the temporary hospital If that is not proof I don't what will convinced you. They cleared the backlog of suspected infection There are now more bed available than patient. There is no secrecy here

You can always wallow in your skepticism be my guest

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China’s central Hubei province, the epicenter of the country’s coronavirus outbreak, reported less than 200 cases of new infections for the first time since January.

Hubei had 196 new confirmed cases on Sunday, the National Health Commission said on Monday, sharply down from 570 cases a day earlier and the lowest since Jan. 24.

The decline was driven by a fall in new cases in Wuhan, where the virus first appeared last December, which reported 193 new infections, the lowest since Jan. 26.

Mainland China had a total of 202 new confirmed cases, the lowest since Jan. 22. Excluding new infections in Hubei, there were only six new cases in mainland China, the lowest since last month. That brings the total number of confirmed cases in mainland China so far to 80,026.

The death toll from the outbreak in mainland China reached 2,912 as of the end of Sunday, up by 42 from the previous day.

Hubei accounted for all of the 42 new deaths, while 32 people died in Wuhan.

In line with the falling number of new infections, Wuhan closed its first makeshift hospital after it discharged the last batch of 34 recovered patients, CCTV reported.

As of Feb. 28, Wuhan has created 16 temporary hospitals, adding 13,000 beds, with 12,000 people treated so far. Overall, the number of Wuhan hospital beds have risen from 5,000 to 23,000.

 

[plawolf]

The Chinese government has a lot to learn about transparency. Like the fever clinics visits numbers, why wasn't they disclosing it daily? Or the daily number of RT-PCR tests performed? One of the biggest problems with the Chinese government is that secrecy is the default. To choose to disclose information is to take on responsibilities, and nobody likes to take on responsibilities when there's nothing to gain from it. They must make it so that disclosing information is the default and one has to take responsibility when they choose not to disclose.

Ah yes, another brainwashed know it all backseat driver.

How did your ‘transparency’ and ‘responsible’ can-do-no-wrong America contain the 2009 American Swine Flu pandemic again?

What are the ‘transparent’ American figures on how many people attended fever clinics in America? Oh wait, there are no fever clinics in America because the American government is too responsible to set them up because that would be a waste of money since democracy and transparency is all you need to combat this virus.

China is one of the few governments who has actually taken any real responsibility in dealing with Corvid19 head on.

The measures western governments have taken to combat the spread of the virus has been a farcical joke from the start.

America and similar western governments were too busy trying to maximise damage to China while scoring cheap political points back home with entry bans on Chinese nationals while not even bothering to check their own nationals returning from infected zones; and also deliberately breaking quarantine to fly back their own nationals from the most dangerous infection zones and not even giving the drivers of the buses bringing them to the quarantine site any protective equipment.

The initial western response was all but daring the Virus to reach them.

Now that the virus has broken out in the west, the Americans are literally giving mixed messages in the very same interview; the British are just telling everyone to wash their hands and the western media has done a dramatic tone shift from openly salivating on how damaging this outbreak would be on China to obsessively comparing it to the common flu as prep work to try and downplay the fallout when they fail to contain it like China managed.

China has been providing free healthcare to all those infected with Corvid19, and supplying free face masks to all citizens. Come back when your ‘responsible’ western governments does anything like that instead of trying to shift responsibility to individuals and blaming foreigners for their own ineptitude.

 

[solarz]

Ah yes, another brainwashed know it all backseat driver.

I don't believe that is the case with @OppositeDay.

I don't agree with his assessment in this particular case, but he strikes me as a reasonable guy.

All nations in the world operate from a default position of secrecy. In Western nations, those who seek to access supposedly public information need to take action to find and obtain that information. It is not the default action of the government to release any information they obtain.

In the fight against COVID-19, the Chinese government has been remarkably transparent. It has held daily debriefings on the situation, and invited all kinds of international organizations to observe and study.

 

[siegecrossbow]

An excellent interview with WHO fact finding team as to how China deal with this Corono virus and No they don't lie or hide the data . But the most important thing is to identify, track an isolate Corono virus carrier

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Julia Belluz
Okay, so most of the measures used in China to stop the virus were traditional public health moves that are broadly accepted — and the draconian measures were rarer. Is there any sense of what in China’s toolkit was most effective?

Bruce Aylward
I think the key learning from China is speed — it’s all about the speed. The faster you can find the cases, isolate the cases, and track their close contacts, the more successful you’re going to be. Another big takeaway is that even when you have substantial transmission with a lot of clusters — because people are looking at the situation in some countries now and going, “Oh, gosh, what can be done?” — what China demonstrates is if you settle down, roll up your sleeves, and begin that systematic work of case finding and contact tracing, you definitely can change the shape of the outbreak, take the heat out of it, and prevent a lot of people from getting sick and a lot of the most vulnerable from dying.

Julia Belluz
But, again, China implemented so many different measures at once. How do we know contact tracing was more important than, say, the mass cordon sanitaire and shutting down cities?

Bruce Aylward
Think about the virus. Where is the virus, and how do you contain the virus? You know the virus is in the cases and in the close contacts. That’s where the majority of the virus is; that’s where the majority of the focus should be. China did a whole bunch of things, and other countries may have to do them, too, as they go forward. But the key is public information and having an informed population, finding those cases, rapidly isolating them. The faster you isolate them is what breaks the chains. Making sure close contacts are quarantined and monitored until you know if they’re infected. Somewhere between 5 and 15 percent of those contacts are infected. And again, it’s the close contacts, not everyone.

ulia Belluz
Can we trust China’s data?

Bruce Aylward
The big question is, are they hiding things? No, they are not. We looked at many different things to try to corroborate that cases are dropping. When I went to fever clinics and talked to people working there, they’d say, “We used to have a line out the door, and now we see a case once per hour.”


According to the national data, fever clinics went from seeing 46,000 people per day at one point and it’s now down to 1,000. So there’s been a huge drop in numbers into the feeder system.

Second thing: When talking to physicians in hospitals, I heard again and again that we have open beds, we can get people isolated even more rapidly. I heard that in Wuhan and other provinces. The third thing: I talked to people running clinical trials of drugs, and they are having a problem recruiting patients. All these things helped corroborate [China’s data].

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The so called draconian measures probably saved thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of lives and actually will reduce economic loss on the long run. Imagine if Shanghai or Beijing became another Wuhan due to improper containment.

 

[vincent]

The Chinese government has a lot to learn about transparency. Like the fever clinics visits numbers, why wasn't they disclosing it daily? Or the daily number of RT-PCR tests performed? One of the biggest problems with the Chinese government is that secrecy is the default. To choose to disclose information is to take on responsibilities, and nobody likes to take on responsibilities when there's nothing to gain from it. They must make it so that disclosing information is the default and one has to take responsibility when they choose not to disclose.

collecting statistics is not free. Takes lots of efforts which frontline workers can ill afford

 

[supercat]

The Chinese government has a lot to learn about transparency. Like the fever clinics visits numbers, why wasn't they disclosing it daily? Or the daily number of RT-PCR tests performed? One of the biggest problems with the Chinese government is that secrecy is the default. To choose to disclose information is to take on responsibilities, and nobody likes to take on responsibilities when there's nothing to gain from it. They must make it so that disclosing information is the default and one has to take responsibility when they choose not to disclose.

To be fair to the Chinese government, they release quite detailed data everyday.

Today (3/2), there are only 125 confirmed cases in China, and again, there is no death outside Hubei province.

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[supercat]

Today (3/2), there are 47,204 cured cases, and 30,004 existing cases (chart 4):