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Tyler

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Mostly the same inactivated vaccines, China only started to allow heterologous booster recently.
Guangdong and Shenzhen are now on high alert due to the situation in Hong Kong. For Hong Kong, of those vaccinated, about 60% already got the mRNA vaccine.
The effects of very low infection rates in China and refusal of using mRNA vaccines remain to be seen. They really need local mRNA vaccines as boosters.
 

KYli

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Guangdong and Shenzhen are now on high alert due to the situation in Hong Kong. For Hong Kong, of those vaccinated, about 60% already got the mRNA vaccine.
The effects of very low infection rates in China and refusal of using mRNA vaccines remain to be seen. They really need local mRNA vaccines as boosters.
Both mRNA and inactivated can't stop infections. If you can't accept this simple fact, then we don't need to continue this conversation. mRNA booster shot might give a temporary boost to the people to have lower hospitalizations rate than inactivated but this boost waned in 4-5 months. You can't have people vaccinated every 4-5 months.

Given the only difference is a temporary boost for a few months. Injecting with mRNA is not that much better especially with all those strong side effects. What is needed is new vaccines, better vaccines, second generation vaccine. It doesn't matter if it is mRNA, subunit or inactivated.


It is just pathetic and sad.
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getready

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Looks like long covid is starting to gain more attention.
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Almost a third of people report lingering symptom 6-12 months after COVID-19 -study​


March 4 (Reuters) - Almost a third of people report at least one ongoing symptom between 6 and 12 months after their coronavirus infection, a survey of 152,000 people in Denmark has found.
The study includes one of the largest groups yet of people who were not hospitalised with COVID, and followed them for longer than other major studies, the researchers from Denmark's State Serum Institute (SSI) said.
The questionnaire-based study suggested that the most commonly reported long-term symptoms were changes in sense of smell and taste, as well as fatigue.

Conducted between September 2020 and April 2021, well before the recent Omicron variant surge, the survey compared the responses of 61,002 people who had tested positive for the coronavirus six, nine or 12 months before with those of 91,878 people who had tested negative.
In total, 29.6% of the respondents who had tested positive reported at least one ongoing physical symptom 6 to 12 months after infection, compared to 13% in the control group.

Just over half (53.1%) of those with positive tests said they had experienced either mental or physical exhaustion, sleep problems or cognitive problems within the 6 to 12 months after infection. That compared to 11.5% in the control group.
New diagnoses of anxiety and depression were also more common among those with a history of SARS-CoV-2 infection, the study showed.
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And look at this: an American senator actually serving his people:
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I think it's already got attention since last year at least. I usually search for articles since last year cuz my close friend had long standing issues with loss of smell and taste.

Problem is studying long covid needs time to follow up with patients. Right now most are still patients from delta or earlier variants. Omicron is still relatively new. To me, long covid effects on loss of cognitive functions among elderly who had covid will be a new closely studied area.
 

Phead128

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Guangdong and Shenzhen are now on high alert due to the situation in Hong Kong. For Hong Kong, of those vaccinated, about 60% already got the mRNA vaccine.
The effects of very low infection rates in China and refusal of using mRNA vaccines remain to be seen. They really need local mRNA vaccines as boosters.
To get out of this pandemic, China should make anti-viral treatment freely available to anyone sick with COVID. We take the valuable precious time gained by lockdowns to invest in vaccine R&D and anti-viral R&D with ultimate objective to save lives, not prevent infections or eradication. Everyone is inevitably going to be infected, vaccine or not, so best to focus on anti-viral treatment for those who do get sick and try to prevent deaths as the priority.

Even if you do have mRNA, the vaccine mutates so fast that mRNA cannot keep up. Vaccine is helpful, but anti-viral therapy is backup incase of breakthrough infections which are increasingly more common with new variants.
 

Tyler

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To get out of this pandemic, China should make anti-viral treatment freely available to anyone sick with COVID. We take the valuable precious time gained by lockdowns to invest in vaccine R&D and anti-viral R&D with ultimate objective to save lives, not prevent infections or eradication. Everyone is inevitably going to be infected, vaccine or not, so best to focus on anti-viral treatment for those who do get sick and try to prevent deaths as the priority.

Even if you do have mRNA, the vaccine mutates so fast that mRNA cannot keep up. Vaccine is helpful, but anti-viral therapy is backup incase of breakthrough infections which are increasingly more common with new variants.
Are they giving Chinese anti-viral therapy in Hong Kong now?
 

daifo

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1000-3000 Americans are still dying a day even with "mission accomplished" declared. I guess everyone is numbed and accepting that it is a full year terrible flu with things returning to "normal." I guess the norm is maybe get vaccinated, catch covid from work/outing .. pass to everyone in your household ... , hope everyone survive , repeat

In places like the US, the "weakest of weak to covid" have already perished the past 2 years so the metrics for places death would be diffrent if China opened up even with a vaccinated population.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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I think it's already got attention since last year at least. I usually search for articles since last year cuz my close friend had long standing issues with loss of smell and taste.

Problem is studying long covid needs time to follow up with patients. Right now most are still patients from delta or earlier variants. Omicron is still relatively new. To me, long covid effects on loss of cognitive functions among elderly who had covid will be a new closely studied area.
This issue is prevalent in the youth as well, so everyone is highly susceptible to long haul damage. If this is much more common than the one done by influenza, then we will eventually have a serious problem in our hands since Covid can stealthily and severely hamper the workforce. Based on China’s investments into the development of medicines and the various types of vaccines against Covid and their adherence to their quarantine policy, I guess China has been extremely alert to this for a while.
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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@Bellum_Romanum bro the ordeals of our OFW, My apologizes to our members, my comments are my owned personal view and no animosity is intended, aside from Middle eastern countries, HKG and Singapore are the worst offenders. Maybe because of the stress of living in a city state BUT a little respect and dignity goes a long way. And I wish China maintain the ban of hiring foreign domestic help and IF possible a gov't to gov't agreement rather than let private hiring agency take charge.
It seems to more of a systematic problem rather than a cooperation problem. Hong Kong doesn’t have the system in place for the both governments to use against Covid. China’s anti-Covid system wasn’t developed when Covid was around. It was already there prior to Covid. So unfortunately, an agreement between the mainland and HK governments won’t work.
 

KYli

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It could also be that people in low countries are more discipline and better at practicing social distancing than those in the West. Or mRNA is waning faster than other types of vaccines. I don't totally buy the hybrid immunity theory as both European and the US have fair amount of people also got infected with Delta.
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