Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

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JSChineseTiger

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KYli said:
The reasons why Cambodia has done better than Vietnam are due to vaccinations(Cambodia has much higher vaccination rate than Vietnam and also Australia which also has a great difficulty to tame the recent outbreak.), acting too late to prevent an outbreak as the government was preocuppied with the economy resulted in massive numbers of cases which overwhelmed the hospitals. Consequently, Vietnam can't no longer isolating every individuals that contracted the virus and doing contact tracing is next to impossible which allowed the community spread to continue indefinitely.

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Lockdown is useless without shutting down supermarkets. More than 90% of infections occur in supermarkets where temperature is cool, low UV, and lots of people.
 
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Dolcevita

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SteelBird said:
I'm ethnically Chinese, born in Vietnam but living in Cambodia. So what I do care about is: the world as a whole, China, Vietnam and Cambodia for particular.

Vietnam has surpassed 10,000 daily cases today. It has locked down over one month and will continue to do so for another month until Sep 15. For the past month of lockdown, daily cases just doesn't go down. I don't know what they have done wrong. For compare, Cambodia, which supposed to have inferior health system, has done a much better job to contain the virus with daily case drop to 500+ as of today.

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The deviation is due to the following.
1. prejudice
2. bad policy
3. misguided propaganda
 
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BlackWindMnt

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ansy1968 said:
@subdivide yes Cambodia had done good , bravo to Hun Sen and its gov't. @SteelBird bro your gov't early action is bearing fruits, we had the same chance when the Chinese offer a clinical trial of SinoPharm last Sept 2020, remember the controversy it create when the Presidential guards was inoculated without a FDA approval, the public uproar led by the opposition and wanted to impeach Duterte for breaking the law , the bureaucratic inertia that followed, now we had to wait in a long queue instead of having the vaccine. People should be persecuted for acting against public interest for pure personal gain, one of those is DOH secretary Duque , the head of the FDA, the opposition party and not the least the Western Pharma.
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I heard the something likewise happened in Iran, China offered Iran trial access and priority access. But western rot took over Iranian media and parts of governments so they declined. Now they are still suffering.
 
Phead128

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Nutrient said:
Yep, people like @Phead128 argue that China's anti-Covid policy would hurt economically. Yet here's an example where that policy actually helps a lot, and is better morally anyway. So what does @Phead128 say now?
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You are the perfect example of person who only read headlines, but never read the article... please read the article, not just the headline!

Also to clarify, my official position is: "After China achieves 100% vaccination rate with boosters, it should stop sporadic city lockdowns because it will hurt manufacturing in long-run, and be satisfied with 'Zero Deaths' rather than 'Zero Infections'. " Currently, I am fully 100% supportive of China's (current) sporadic lockdowns as children don't have vaccines, no booster is available, vaccination rate is still low, and Olympics hasn't even finished yet. Please do not misconstrue my arguments.

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I see you answered the original comment. The bottom line is, Apple will make 80% of its AirPod 3s in China.

You say the reason it's not 0% is due to Vietnam stopping the entry of some engineers from China. If as you recommend China opened up and had more Covid-19 cases, do you think Vietnam would welcome more Chinese engineers -- or less?
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The article says it is the Chinese Gov't refusing permission for Chinese engineers to go abroad. CHINESE are stopping Chinese engineers from going abroad.

China's National Immigration Administration earlier this month confirmed it had tightened border controls and slowed the issuance of new passports and travel documents to contain outbreaks of the delta variant......"The administration will continue to adopt the strict policies going forward to restrict unnecessary cross-border travel." (
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Multiple supply chain managers told Nikkei Asia that it has been harder for their Chinese staff to apply for business trips to Vietnam, with "more documents and queries" needed in China since earlier this year. (
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Nutrient said:
I see you answered the original comment. The bottom line is, Apple will make 80% of its AirPod 3s in China.

You say the reason it's not 0% is due to Vietnam stopping the entry of some engineers from China. If as you recommend China opened up and had more Covid-19 cases, do you think Vietnam would welcome more Chinese engineers -- or less?
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If you bothered reading the article, instead of just the headline, you would learn, it is the Vietnamese gov't welcomes everyone, including fully vaccinated Taiwanese engineers from China to work in Vietnam. (See Below)
"The border control has been tightened in the past few months. We could not easily dispatch our Chinese engineers to support our production projects for Amazon in northern Vietnam, so the company has been bringing in fully vaccinated Taiwanese engineers from China," said a senior manager of an Amazon supplier. (
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Nutrient said:
I say less, meaning that Apple would shift even more production back to China. Therefore this case still shows why China's anti-Covid program is actually beneficial economically (and anyway is better morally), despite your claims.
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You are right, Chinese Gov't banning Chinese Engineers to fly abroad (by refusing to issue travel documents) is a EXCELLENT STRATEGY at retaining manufacturing inside China. I totally agree.... even after pandemic is over, China should ban Chinese engineers from flying abroad and keep all the manufacturing knowledge inside China... It's like Taiwan's TSMC banning it's Taiwanese engineers from visiting China and getting poached by foreigners. This has nothing to do with 'superior pandemic handling' or containing COVID domestically, rather Chinese Gov't banning Chinese engineers from flying abroad to help their Vietnamese colleagues. Please read the full article and original Nikkei source.
 
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Godzilla

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KYli said:
The reasons why Cambodia has done better than Vietnam are due to vaccinations(Cambodia has much higher vaccination rate than Vietnam and also Australia which also has a great difficulty to tame the recent outbreak.), acting too late to prevent an outbreak as the government was preocuppied with the economy resulted in massive numbers of cases which overwhelmed the hospitals. Consequently, Vietnam can't no longer isolating every individuals that contracted the virus and doing contact tracing is next to impossible which allowed the community spread to continue indefinitely.

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I think vaccinations aren't as important as quick, short, sharp lockdowns to get these outbreaks under control. The key to NSW failing was acting too late. Aside from Victoria, which isn't anywhere as serious as NSW, yet, all the other states have regained control. NSW acted too slow and late and with half arsed measures initially hence its now screwed.
 
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