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manqiangrexue

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Oh gosh I hope he knows what he's doing and those countries pay it back in one way or another instead of turning coat after every election. Lots of poor Chinese kids could have taken that for scholarship money or started businesses with it. You could start a tech University with it. It could have bought the air force ~30 J-20 stealth fighters. I'm salivating thinking about all the things that China could buy for $3B for itself and its citizens. I'm all for donating obsolete crap you'd be retiring anyway but this is giving away the living room coach while members of your family are still having to sit on the floor. But I have faith in the CCP that they did right...
 
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Yes. But the Soviet Union also gave China massive support. They sent advisors and gave equipment from top to bottom. The fact is, China got their nuclear bomb with help from the USSR, and even their launcher program, got a head start with technical assistance from the USSR like getting the technical specifications and copies of the R-1 rocket. The Tu-16 was also transferred. Stalin gave Manchuria back to Mao, when it was firmly in Soviet control then. He even gave back territory which used to be part of the Russian Empire at one point. I could continue with more examples like this.

I think China is probably the country which got the most technical assistance from the USSR. None of the other countries, even those in the Warsaw Pact, got assistance as pervasive as China did. To a large degree they did use this assistance, otherwise how could a formerly ruined country build tanks and fighter jets so quickly, but a lot of it was wasted or ignored.

North Korea and Cuba had vibrant economies for the first two decades. But once the Soviets pulled some of the support out they started to collapse. Both countries are simply not large enough to have a proper self-reliant internal economy while the Soviet Union and China could. India was always a basket case I think.

Even as late as 1962 the Soviet Union refused to supply nuclear weapons to India against China when they were having the Indo-China war.
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Yeah. That part of history between China and USSR from 1950 to 1962 is complex. I was educated from one side. But I believe that the 156 industrial projects are more important to China than all foreign investment from 1979 to 2001. From 2001 on ward, China is already an industrial giant that can hold its own. So no matter what personal feelings the Chinese have for various of reasons, one cannot deny that historical fact the USSR contributed immensely to the early industrialization of China.
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Oh gosh I hope he knows what he's doing and those countries pay it back in one way or another instead of turning coat after every election. Lots of poor Chinese kids could have taken that for scholarship money or started businesses with it. You could start a tech University with it. It could have bought the air force ~30 J-20 stealth fighters. I'm salivating thinking about all the things that China could buy for $3B for itself and its citizens. I'm all for donating obsolete crap you'd be retiring anyway but this is giving away the living room coach while members of your family are still having to sit on the floor. But I have faith in the CCP that they did right...
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Great move. Stand on moral high ground. China is a super power now. So behave like a super power!
 
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manqiangrexue said:
Oh gosh I hope he knows what he's doing and those countries pay it back in one way or another instead of turning coat after every election. Lots of poor Chinese kids could have taken that for scholarship money or started businesses with it. You could start a tech University with it. It could have bought the air force ~30 J-20 stealth fighters. I'm salivating thinking about all the things that China could buy for $3B for itself and its citizens. I'm all for donating obsolete crap you'd be retiring anyway but this is giving away the living room coach while members of your family are still having to sit on the floor. But I have faith in the CCP that they did right...
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Your comment sounds and spoken like an American or typical westerner that's against their countries giving "aid" to any other countries for the same reasons you mentioned. But the point of Diplomacy and diplomatic overtures like what the Pres. Xi did here is that there will be future dividends with this effort that most people like you and I may not be able to fully grasp or appreciate for now.

China must continue to engage and be engaged with the world in order for her to gain the ability and strength to change the world order or rules into her favor. If China plays foreign policies the way it practiced during it's Imperial heyday then expect for China to be at the mercy of yet another foreing power at her doorstep crashing uninvited. For China to be understood it must play a constructive role as the counterbalance to the U.S. domination not to mention that this action in my opinion may lead to an improvement of Chinese soft power and influence.
 
solarz

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manqiangrexue said:
Oh gosh I hope he knows what he's doing and those countries pay it back in one way or another instead of turning coat after every election. Lots of poor Chinese kids could have taken that for scholarship money or started businesses with it. You could start a tech University with it. It could have bought the air force ~30 J-20 stealth fighters. I'm salivating thinking about all the things that China could buy for $3B for itself and its citizens. I'm all for donating obsolete crap you'd be retiring anyway but this is giving away the living room coach while members of your family are still having to sit on the floor. But I have faith in the CCP that they did right...
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Remember what the big picture is: OBOR. Jump start the economy of the Global South to build an economic alliance to challenge Western domination.
 
manqiangrexue

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Bellum_Romanum said:
Your comment sounds and spoken like an American or typical westerner that's against their countries giving "aid" to any other countries for the same reasons you mentioned. But the point of Diplomacy and diplomatic overtures like what the Pres. Xi did here is that there will be future dividends with this effort that most people like you and I may not be able to fully grasp or appreciate for now.

China must continue to engage and be engaged with the world in order for her to gain the ability and strength to change the world order or rules into her favor. If China plays foreign policies the way it practiced during it's Imperial heyday then expect for China to be at the mercy of yet another foreing power at her doorstep crashing uninvited. For China to be understood it must play a constructive role as the counterbalance to the U.S. domination not to mention that this action in my opinion may lead to an improvement of Chinese soft power and influence.
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Hope they get those dividends, but in the end, China must be a power known for its strength and competence, not for being the global Santa giving away its wealth for temporary friendships. But Xi knew that before getting into this so we'll see.
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Remember what the big picture is: OBOR. Jump start the economy of the Global South to build an economic alliance to challenge Western domination.
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Yup, and I hope it works. I hope they don't take it, walk away with a thanks, change leaders and forget it ever happened. I hope and I trust that Xi and his men know what they are doing.
 
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Zero new domestic confirmed cases in China, one new domestic asymptomatic carrier in Anhui.

Looks like the thing everyone was fearing - that a silent outbreak was spreading back during May Day holiday did not turn out to be the case. Rather this recent flair up was caught at very early stages. Once again proving the efficiency of the current early warning systems.

Now we just have to find out where this flair up came from and plug up that hole.
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Unlike some of the other so called model COVID response countries, China is the real deal.
 
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