COMAC C919

tphuang

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They and Airbus and Boeing both know they have the other option if Airbus jacks up prices too high. That's the point. If China completely rules out Boeing, Airbus immediately has a captive market. I mean, I don't know why we're even arguing this since China has continued to buy both Boeing and Airbus despite massive US tariffs on China along with other geopolitical pressures.
So i gave you two huge examples of airlines that will never buy airbus as long as 737 was competitive and they still managed to secure huge discounts.

and you keep up with your nonsense.
 

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So i gave you two huge examples of airlines that will never buy airbus as long as 737 was competitive and they still managed to secure huge discounts.

and you keep up with your nonsense.
"Never" is YOUR ascription, not anything they've ever said, unless you have links to back yourself up. But we both know you lack these, don't we? As long as there is a theoretical possibility an airline will buy an Airbus, there is absolutely a limit to how much Boeing will ever jack up prices, if at all. Not to mention Terran Empire addressed your claims as well.
 

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Ryanair and Airbus one is well known

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WSJ: Airbus Won't Engage In Talks With Ryanair



From The Wall Street Journal, September 8, 2010:

Airbus Won't Engage In Talks With Ryanair

LONDON (Dow Jones)--Airbus has refused to engage in talks with Ryanair Holdings PLC (RYA.DB) over the low-cost carrier buying aircraft.

The Irish-based airline said in the Financial Times it was keen to buy 300 aircraft, instead of paying a dividend to shareholders. However, Airbus poured cold water on Ryanair's hope of a deal by refusing to entertain negotiations.

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But on Tuesday, O'Leary said he currently viewed talking with Airbus as a waste of his time.
"We would not initiate talks with Airbus until such time as Airbus wants to initiate talks with us," he said in an interview.
"Until they need an order from the Ryanair Group, frankly we are wasting our time talking to Airbus," he added, without elaborating.

So you have a case where Airbus and Ryanair won't even talk to each other.

Yet, Ryanair has no issue placing huge orders and getting discounts from Boeing.
 

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Ryanair and Airbus one is well known

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So you have a case where Airbus and Ryanair won't even talk to each other.

Yet, Ryanair has no issue placing huge orders and getting discounts from Boeing.
Not sure how this is an example for you, since that article clearly states Ryanair already HAS 30 Airbus planes and was planning on getting 100 more Airbus planes, but Airbus was playing hard to get and Ryanair basically responded with "well I don't like you either". This is nothing more than brinksmanship. If Boeing jacked up prices too much Ryanair would certainly be much more willing to deal with Airbus on their terms.
 

mossen

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The entire discussion seems moot to me. Boeing isn't going anywhere since the US would just be shooting itself in the foot by trying to export ban them. In addition, China still needs as many players as possible to compete for orders until Comac fully ramps up, so it has no interest in blocking Boeing either (even if it's playing favourites with Airbus).

If there is a major war in Taiwan, then not only Boeing but also Airbus would likely be banned from selling to China by their respective govts. But that wouldn't be a Boeing-specific issue. And in a case of a crisis, would passenger planes really be that necessary given HSR buildout? The more important issue for national security would be military transport and China is largely self-sufficient there already.

I personally don't think Comac will be targeted because all parties involved understand it wouldn't solve anything and China isn't as vulnerable as many other countries due to HSR alternatives for long-distance travel. That also makes it easier to withstand a potential oil supply disruption without drawing down on strategic reserves too much.
 

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Not sure how this is an example for you, since that article clearly states Ryanair already HAS 30 Airbus planes and was planning on getting 100 more Airbus planes, but Airbus was playing hard to get and Ryanair basically responded with "well I don't like you either". This is nothing more than brinksmanship. If Boeing jacked up prices too much Ryanair would certainly be much more willing to deal with Airbus on their terms.
They got airbus from their purchase of Lauda.

Airbus and Ryanair don’t negotiate purchases with each other for Ryanair own fleet. That is stated clearly in what I posted.

you are frankly wasting my time with your complete ignorance of airline industry.

it appears to me you don’t understand ULCCs and single fleet model.

As long as COMAC is raising production of C919, it will be a viable Option.
 

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Enough about airbus and Boeing, back to talking about C919.
 
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