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gelgoog

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Pratt & Whitney and GE had delays on civil aviation turbofans after they put sanctions on imports of Russian aluminium and titanium.
Japan and China seem to be the replacements in the case of titanium metal supply. But the ugly truth is a lot of Russian titanium metal is still being used being purchased by third parties and then recertified as coming from somewhere else.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan said:
That China Southern Airlines C919 will be at Zhuhai this evening for a new car launching event in collaboration with Guangzhou Automobile Group (GAC).

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At least looking way better than China Southern’s traditional blue-white painting arrangement (no change since the early 90s). China Southern had a special light blue painting scheme for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner. Not sure why that colouring was not applied to other aircrafts in the fleet.
 
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tphuang said:
I don't see how many Boeing plane China bought in 2025 has anything to do with it. It went several years without taking any MAX deliveries. China absolutely does not have to buy Boeing planes.

How it would react to the current proposed executive order remains to be seen.
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China went several years without taking any MAX deliveries because 2 MAXes fell out of the sky and China was slow-rolling Boeing for this and for geopolitical reasons. This is not the same thing as China refusing outright to buy any Boeing planes at all, including other narrowbodies and widebodies. 100% if China said no forever to Boeing, Airbus would immediately jack up its prices on China because it now has a captive market and because it knows that COMAC cannot possibly hope to supply what Boeing would have left behind, not in the short to medium term, at least. COMAC will produce 30ish C919s this year. Meanwhile the market for Chinese narrowbodies is numbered in the several thousands over just the next few decades. China can punish the US via Boeing in a limited fashion, but there is no way in hell China can or will stop buying Boeings altogether any time soon.
 
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Iron Man said:
China went several years without taking any MAX deliveries because 2 MAXes fell out of the sky and China was slow-rolling Boeing for this and for geopolitical reasons. This is not the same thing as China refusing outright to buy any Boeing planes at all, including other narrowbodies and widebodies. 100% if China said no forever to Boeing, Airbus would immediately jack up its prices on China because it now has a captive market and because it knows that COMAC cannot possibly hope to supply what Boeing would have left behind, not in the short to medium term, at least. COMAC will produce 30ish C919s this year. Meanwhile the market for Chinese narrowbodies is numbered in the several thousands over just the next few decades. China can punish the US via Boeing in a limited fashion, but there is no way in hell China can or will stop buying Boeings altogether any time soon.
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If China wants to stop buying Boeing aircraft, it could very well do so.

Again, you can get aircraft from lessors and second hand market.

Let's put it this way, everyone knows RyanAir was never going to buy Airbus, but how did it still get such a large discount from Boeing?

Same with Southwest.

Most LLCs out there are tied to 1 airliner. By your logic, they are all seeing their prices get jacked up?
 
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Iron Man said:
China went several years without taking any MAX deliveries because 2 MAXes fell out of the sky and China was slow-rolling Boeing for this and for geopolitical reasons. This is not the same thing as China refusing outright to buy any Boeing planes at all, including other narrowbodies and widebodies. 100% if China said no forever to Boeing, Airbus would immediately jack up its prices on China because it now has a captive market and because it knows that COMAC cannot possibly hope to supply what Boeing would have left behind, not in the short to medium term, at least. COMAC will produce 30ish C919s this year. Meanwhile the market for Chinese narrowbodies is numbered in the several thousands over just the next few decades. China can punish the US via Boeing in a limited fashion, but there is no way in hell China can or will stop buying Boeings altogether any time soon.
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It is a very good thing you are not in the Airline business or any business that depends on building mutual trust and relationships. It is a symbiotic relationship. If airplanes cost too much, airlines go out of business and both are losers. As anyone taken Econ 101, monopolies can only stay as monopolies if they charge a fair price. Look at ASML.
 
Iron Man

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tphuang said:
If China wants to stop buying Boeing aircraft, it could very well do so.

Again, you can get aircraft from lessors and second hand market.

Let's put it this way, everyone knows RyanAir was never going to buy Airbus, but how did it still get such a large discount from Boeing?

Same with Southwest.

Most LLCs out there are tied to 1 airliner. By your logic, they are all seeing their prices get jacked up?
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They and Airbus and Boeing both know they have the other option if Airbus jacks up prices too high. That's the point. If China completely rules out Boeing, Airbus immediately has a captive market. I mean, I don't know why we're even arguing this since China has continued to buy both Boeing and Airbus despite massive US tariffs on China along with other geopolitical pressures.
 
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tphuang said:
Let's put it this way, everyone knows RyanAir was never going to buy Airbus, but how did it still get such a large discount from Boeing?

Same with Southwest.
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Well It doesn’t hurt that Boeing was in trouble and needed cash.
Farther the very things that Airbus fans and Comac criticize the Boeing 737 NG and Max for actually make it cheaper to build. The narrow fuselage means less raw material in fabrication. The age of the 737 designs means it was designed for smaller engines so it has less hight meaning shorter landing gear. Again less materials and the overhead on manufacture is long paid for.
The same for the Control systems. Airbus are all Fly by wire. The MCAS system and flight controls on the 737 Max are actually a sort of hybrid. It has the heart of a FBW system but it’s connected to the same mechanical system as the 737 from the 70s. Factor in that Boeing 737 series Budget operators like Ryan air and Southwest are already heavily invested in the 737 maintenance and logistics systems and they have a recipe for a big discount.
 
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