Hmm. I’m not so sure about that.
COMAC C919
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i'm sure about that. Even if you think it might achieve better burn rate and higher up time, it would be impossible to get the same serviceability and maintenance cost that an engine with thousands of sales around the world would get. That unfortunately is the advantage that incumbents have.
Not matching every stat number for number on an engine is fine. It's like IAE V2500 vs the CFM56.
Plus, it's a great starting point and helps greatly with future development. Serviceability and maintenance cost are both things which will be improved once sufficient experience is acquired.
This is the latest supplier list (Image via @ARJ21走向商业成功之路 from Weibo)So how much of C919 now will be provided by domestic suppliers? I remember there was a graphic of c919 and most of the things were from the West. How is the progress going on for localisation?
I'm not convinced that China cancelled all those Boeing planes as some retaliation for US hostility. The 737 Max is unquestionably a dangerous plane with unresolved issues. Even after Boeing supposedly fixed the 737 Max issues, there continues to be many incidents of mysterious altitude loss and abnormal flight behavior. The optics look like China retaliation but I think it's simply a case of these Boeings being crappy planes.The very recent huge deal with Airbus seems to me that China is doing a presumptive retaliation to US.
I am not going to dismiss any possible sanctions, but sanctions are two edged swords, they stop China producing C919 while China's retaliation will starve Boeing. It is the same as Europe's sanction on Russia right now, Russia makes no money from Europe while Europe freezes in winter. Europe went suicidal at the pressure of US, but nobody is going to force US to go suicidal unless they go nuts. At that point, who cares?
I was mostly joking by the oxymoronic phrase "presumptive retaliation".
China did not cancel any Boeing planes. China simply did not give Boeing a chance as a message to US for EUV, Huawei, Chip etc. etc.
737 Max is special case. What I wanted to convey is that offering Airbus a contract that size at a time that C919 is getting certified is a strong message to US. The size of the airbus contract seems leaving not much room for future contract with Boeing even if it does a good job in remand its fault.
The real retaliation in case of sabotaging C919 would be good Boeing products 787 and 777.
China is now at least equal with Russia in civilian turbofans after several breakthroughs in composite materials. Performance characteristics of the CJ-1000A are on par with the LEAP-1C with the initial CJ-1000A certification supposedly by 2025. The CJ-2000 is very close behind in development with certification estimated to be only 1-2 years behind the CJ-1000A. Even the CJ-500 for the ARJ-21 will be ready in a few years even though it began it's development much later than these other 2 engines. This is now common knowledge in the Chinese forums. Don't worry about China's civilian aeroengines, they're doing better than you think.
China Southern Airlines cancelled 103 Boeing 737 Max in May 2022. They maintained 78 on order and removed the options following more incidents in China where 737 Max's encountered unexplained flight abnormalities, abnormalities meaning they almost crashed again. This plane is garbage!
I will not be surprised if China is eventually sanctioned from buying Boeing AND Airbus. European leadership has proven to be as incompetent and jingoistic as the Americans during this Russia-Ukraine issue. I once believed the Belt & Road extending to Europe would be welcomed by the Europeans as a sign of their independence from the Americans. It is now obvious that they are as a group little more than glorified vassals, only 1 step above Japan.
Where did you hear this?
A bit off topic, but if China really wanted to hurt Boeing, all it has to do is require Boeing planes to have a license to land in Chinese airspace. China can grant licenses for existing Boeing planes on existing routes to land in China, so it has no immediate effect on airlines or air travel. However, for new purchases going forward, it can be devastating for Boeing if China orders a presumption of denial for such licenses.
Then, not only planes from Chinese carriers, but say XYZ Airline from some random country wants to buy planes and service customers who travel to/from China. Such an airline can no longer buy Boeing planes for those routes, which will have a huge negative impact on Boeing's sales outside of China. China can further ratchet up these sanctions by preventing new Boeing planes without a license from traveling over Chinese airspace. Combined, China and Russia control a huge amount of airspace that is required for air travel servicing 50% of the world's population. They can devastate Boeing's sales if they want to.
Then, not only planes from Chinese carriers, but say XYZ Airline from some random country wants to buy planes and service customers who travel to/from China. Such an airline can no longer buy Boeing planes for those routes, which will have a huge negative impact on Boeing's sales outside of China. China can further ratchet up these sanctions by preventing new Boeing planes without a license from traveling over Chinese airspace. Combined, China and Russia control a huge amount of airspace that is required for air travel servicing 50% of the world's population. They can devastate Boeing's sales if they want to.