manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Wait, what? China can't depend on Russia but can depend on Motor Sich/Ukraine, the entity that, under American pressure, told China that they would get nothing they had contracted and paid for and also no refund?
Chinese Trainer Aircraft (JL-8, JL-9, JL-10 (L-15), etc.)
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Ukraine has to live in this world. China can get the way around. Individuals can help Chine. China is capable to develop on its own. It is matter of priorities. Design bureau or individuals can help to stay relevant in the technology. China would get every thing await couple of years. They got the help in design of Y-20.
I mean collaboration with MotorSich and OKB. Well Ukraine would be on board. They need to keep their industry alive. Lot of things are done without show off or funfair. Motor Sich is under tremendous operation to be active. Ukraine doesn't want to be out of aviation industry. They are aware that US and Russia want them to be out of business. China is their hope to revive engine design and manufacturing. China is the only option for revival of the manufacturing and improvement of An-124-200, An-225, An-70 and many more. Cooperation would be there and in a low key manner. Any how China would get the help they need and may give the contract also. China does it on its own or engages the design bureau time would tell.
Why China would do it? To produce LIFT/Trainer, to get a stealthy cheap version of jet in 5k ton load , to manufacture UAV in 5k ton category and small business/civilian aircrafts. A cheaper stealth aircrft/uav in range of 5000 ton is desirable to do away with J7/older aircraft. These would be able to operate old and new missiles/wepons.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Yeah, I wouldn't do it. I would happily buy some blueprints from Motorsich guys on the way out and give them a nice Beijing apartment to live in but I wouldn't deal with any official entities. Motorsich is the company that last time took China's money, gave China nothing and told China there's no refund. It is overseen by the Ukrainian government, which is wartorn, has its mouth surgically attached to an American penis, and is run by crackhead Nazi generals who dream of attacking China after conquering Russia. Given that, if China goes ahead and tries to make a deal with a contract with Motosich again, that's mental retardation. Yeah Motorsich wants to survive, but the people running Motosich want to survive; they don't want to end up tied naked to a frozen pole in -40 weather getting their nuts kicked by people taking turns cus they got branded traitors by the CIA so they won't approve the deal with China and if they do, it's to steal money and cancel the deal again.
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The former head of Motor Sich was arrested supposedly for delivering helicopter engines (and others) to Russia before the conflict started. For example he delivered TV3-117 and D-136 engines for helicopters.
The company was nationalized by the government of Ukraine late last year. And their factories were hit by Russian cruise missiles last year. Do you really think with the current dependence on the West, Ukraine will provide anything of significance to China?
The Russians already reverse engineered the Al-222 engine and put it into production. I am certain China could do the same if they wanted to. Chinese engine technology already long surpassed the Ukrainian one. Ukraine could not even dream of making an engine like WS-15.
The company was nationalized by the government of Ukraine late last year. And their factories were hit by Russian cruise missiles last year. Do you really think with the current dependence on the West, Ukraine will provide anything of significance to China?
The Russians already reverse engineered the Al-222 engine and put it into production. I am certain China could do the same if they wanted to. Chinese engine technology already long surpassed the Ukrainian one. Ukraine could not even dream of making an engine like WS-15.
lcloo
Captain
China has been developing WS-17 since or before 2012, but it was progressing at very slow pace. Some Chinese analyst said that Chinese prefer to use Ukraine engines on L-15 was because Motorsich offered to sell their engines at cheap price of USD2 million a piece, thus on cost basis AI-222 engine was chosen.
There are very little updated news on WS-17's development. However, looking at the progress on other Chinese engines like WS-10B/C, WS-15 and WS-20, and also because of the long term disruption due to Ukraine war, the new urge to fast foward WS-17 development to mass production means we might see them on L-15/JL-10 in short future.
There are very little updated news on WS-17's development. However, looking at the progress on other Chinese engines like WS-10B/C, WS-15 and WS-20, and also because of the long term disruption due to Ukraine war, the new urge to fast foward WS-17 development to mass production means we might see them on L-15/JL-10 in short future.
Hi Deino
may be we can see them once ws17 been installed on those birds
just a thought
thank you
Russia's Salyut is developing the SM-100 turbofan (based on AI-22-25) for the modernized Yak-130M combat training aircraft.
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I enclose the article in Russian and a translation made with "traslate"
The United Engine Corporation of the State Corporation Rostec presented for the first time at the Army-2023 International Military-Technical Forum a mock-up of the promising SM-100 engine for the upgraded Yak-130M combat training aircraft. The project will be the development of the AI-222-25 base engine. The new power plant will have improved performance with similar dimensions and weight, in particular, the maximum thrust will increase by 20%, and the resource will double
The power plant is being developed by the Salyut production complex of the United Engine Corporation (part of the Rostec State Corporation).
The improvement in performance was achieved by increasing the compression ratio, installing a modern three-stage low-pressure compressor, introducing upgraded combustion chamber units and a turbine of increased reliability. The low-pressure compressor and turbine are currently undergoing bench tests, and the combustion chamber is undergoing flight tests.
In addition, a modernized high-pressure compressor will also be tested in the near future. This node has become smaller and lighter, cheaper to manufacture. Also, for the upgraded engine, a reinforced gearbox was developed, which allows installing a drive-generator, the rated power of which is twice as high as that of the basic version of the AI-222-25 engine.
“The development of the SM-100 is carried out as part of the work to modernize the base engine for the Yak-130 combat training aircraft. The scientific and technical groundwork obtained during the work is used to modernize the AI-222-25 engines. Along with this, the engine has great potential for use in the field of military aviation, and can also be considered as the basis for a family of power plants for light regional and administrative aircraft. We are ready to cooperate with aviation design bureaus at all stages of aircraft development,” said Alexei Gromov, head of the Salyut production complex at UEC JSC.
All work is carried out in a planned manner and is at the stage of experimental confirmation of the characteristics of the upgraded aircraft engine components.