Lmao this reads like AI slop. So many em dashes. And who is the "he" you are referencing and where is "his 4-hour presentation"
IIRC that guy writes his posts in Chinese and then uses AI translations into English.
Lmao this reads like AI slop. So many em dashes. And who is the "he" you are referencing and where is "his 4-hour presentation"
What you are saying is true only if EUV could be used with single patterning but because of multiple issues, tsmc is already on EUV double patterning. 2150i should be able to do 4 nm process.Right, I think it’s great that you have now explained what his background is. I think his info is very useful but there are also multiple parties working on EUV systems in China. Depending on their requirements, they may have tolerance for more or less stable production using EUV. In fact, DUVi 7nm process is also not that stable. Hence you saw the pitch only change from 42nm in 2023 to 40nm last year iirc. It takes 3 to 6 months for each batch of chips to be produced so it really takes time to improve their process, especially when they had limited number of suitable equipment. Going from 40nm to 36nm will take additional effort that is likely to take time to become stable also.
again, that’s why @latenlazy and I think they are going to tolerate instability in EUV for the critical step. It’s because the process using DUVi using multi patterning is itself lower yield and take long time to stabilize.
this shouldn't be a surprise for anyone, who regularly follow this thread.. the amount of research papers , Patents , components breakthrough, Photoresists , EUV masks, etc. post here is incredible.Great, someone we've never seen before showed up in our post and went on and on about how China's EUV lithography machines have made a breakthrough and will be ready for mass production in two to three years, citing a bunch of mysterious information with no sources. It sounds like, “Trust me, bro.”
I dont think you have been following this thread. One the reason I said from a couple years that China has already has EUV machines is because all the ecosystem that has been develop around it. From EUV mask inspection tools, EUV metrology tools, to EUV photoresists, pellicle development and so on. None of that can happen in vacuum (no pun intended), my guess is that the EUV tooling and anchilliary ecosystem in China have is as advanced as whatever EUV lithography machine they have. The ecosystem is going neck to neck with the main tool.While the EUV hardware is ready, it lacks mature supporting infrastructure. Solutions for metrology tools, photoresists, and ancillary components exist but remain unoptimized. Crucially, EUV process parameter libraries are being built from zero—doping parameters for EUV-compatible ion implantation/deposition, photoresist tuning coefficients, etc.—all require foundational development.
Sounds kind of like an export tariff. You know the ones Argentina has on food exports and the US complains about all the time.