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dongfanghong tech (from Hong Kong) announced it is getting its new AI or high end computing chip fabb'd at SMIC's 7nm process

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looks real from their website

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Their english name is Hong Kong Technology

This is the announcement


I'd imagine more of the AI startups will be banging the doors of SMIC to get the chip fabb'd.

Did they publicly say 7nm or it's just the news website reading between the lines and making an assumption. The announcement on the dongfanghong tech website doesn't seem to mention the node. The screenshots of slides they have posted doesn't mention it either. Of course it is likely to be an advanced node if it is an AI chip.

But if they did say it out loud that would be a first. Because for all the current SMIC 7nm chips that we know of like the Huawei chips and even the Bitcoin mining chips, SMIC or their customers have never publicly acknowledged 7nm or the fact that they are SMIC chips. More than a year ago SMIC removed even the mention of 14nm from their website and now it seems the entire section on Logic nodes is completely gone from their website.

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It does say 7nm in the details of the announcement.
2024年11月,香港 —— 东方红(香港)科技有限公司与中芯国际(SMIC)今天宣布,双方已成功推出“智算极”系列高性能计算芯片,这是“智算核”系列的进一步升级和突破。新一代“智算极”采用了行业领先的7nm制程技术,专为支持人工智能、大数据分析、云计算和边缘计算等领域的高负载任务而设计,将为全球客户提供更强大的算力支持。
November 2024, Hong Kong - Dongfanghong (Hong Kong) Technology Co., Ltd. and Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) announced today that they have successfully launched the "Intelligent Computing Extreme" series of high-performance computing chips, which is a further upgrade and breakthrough of the "Intelligent Computing Core" series. The new generation of "Intelligent Computing Extreme" uses the industry-leading 7nm process technology and is designed to support high-load tasks in the fields of artificial intelligence, big data analysis, cloud computing and edge computing, and will provide more powerful computing support for global customers.
 
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Did they publicly say 7nm or it's just the news website reading between the lines and making an assumption. The announcement on the dongfanghong tech website doesn't seem to mention the node. The screenshots of slides they have posted doesn't mention it either. Of course it is likely to be an advanced node if it is an AI chip.

But if they did say it out loud that would be a first. Because for all the current SMIC 7nm chips that we know of like the Huawei chips and even the Bitcoin mining chips, SMIC or their customers have never publicly acknowledged 7nm or the fact that they are SMIC chips. More than a year ago SMIC removed even the mention of 14nm from their website and now it seems the entire section on Logic nodes is completely gone from their website.

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It does say 7nm in the details of the announcement.
SMIC continue to increase FinFet capacity most likely 7nm.. ASML Litho + domestic non-Litho tools

Huawei's entire series punched on SMIC 7nm process plus their Ai chips. Mate70 coming next week

Loongson rumored to switch on 7nm too
 

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Han's Semiconductor/Zhuhai Maxwin won the bid for BOE's 8.6-generation OLED production line equipment project.​


Shenzhen Han's Semiconductor Equipment Technology Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as Han's Semiconductor) and Maxwin Technology (Zhuhai) Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as Zhuhai Maxwin) won the bid for BOE's 8.6th generation AMOLED production line project.

The project numbers are 4197-244BOECDDT01/83, 4197-244BOECDDT01/82, and 4197-244BOECDDT01/84, and the bidding scope includes flat panel display substrate cutting machine (laser) (Package B), flat panel display substrate cutting machine (laser) (Package A), and laser cutting machine.

Specifically, Han's Semiconductor will supply 3 sets of flat panel display substrate cutting machines (laser) (Package B); Zhuhai Maxwin will supply 3 sets of flat panel display substrate cutting machines (laser) (Package A) and 2 sets of laser cutting machines.

It is reported that the flat panel display substrate cutting machine (laser) equipment required by BOE is mainly used for the flexible OLED panel cutting process; the laser cutting machine equipment is mainly used for the Hybrid OLED panel TPF half-cutting process and TPF waste tearing process, and is also compatible with Flexible OLED E-Film half-cutting, Dummy tearing and curing. In addition, BOE requires that the equipment can be transformed into Film Cut equipment.

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SMIC continue to increase FinFet capacity most likely 7nm.. ASML Litho + domestic non-Litho tools

Huawei's entire series punched on SMIC 7nm process plus their Ai chips. Mate70 coming next week

Loongson rumored to switch on 7nm too
Loongson is not going to reach 7nm for another year or so. It takes time to design and get taped out.
Also, it's entirely possible their lines are still including Japanese equipment. SMIC has to be practical.
 

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CETC talking about the various semiconductor and other products they were showcasing at Guangzhou auto show. A lot of different types of auto chips like SiC MOSFET (sold 20m apparently). Also showcased the various materials.

MMW radar, lidar, auto cameras and other sensors
 

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Domestic DRAM capacity overflows overseas, Korean industry is rumored to be reducing DDR4 capacity supply
2024/11/18

Domestic DRAM industry capacity has expanded significantly, expanding from the domestic market to the overseas market, resulting in intensified industry competition.

Domestic DRAM capacity has been increased in large quantities, and consumer DDR4 is the first to bear the brunt. Oversupply will lead to intensified price competition. Not only Changxin Storage is actively expanding production, but Fujian Jinhua, which was once sanctioned by the United States, has also moved towards DDR4 mass production.

Taiwanese memory module industry revealed that the current domestic memory factory DDR4 quotation is 5% cheaper than the second-hand goods circulating on the market, and the price is almost half the price of the three major international DRAM companies. Under domestic low-price competition, the two major Korean industry companies are rumored to reduce their DDR4 capacity and are forced to accelerate development towards high-end applications.

Although Trump's new policy has not yet been implemented, it has already brought a high degree of uncertainty to the domestic semiconductor industry. The industry pointed out that domestic memory manufacturers are actively seeking overseas outlets recently. Although domestic DRAM is not included in the official US blacklist restrictions, it still tries to avoid exporting to the United States, Europe and other regions.

It is understood that domestic manufacturers hope to enter the huge Indian market through Taiwanese manufacturers in a roundabout way, mainly considering the relatively tense atmosphere between China and India. If they can use the brand awareness of Taiwanese manufacturers, they will be able to dilute the sensitive color of the red supply chain.

Industry insiders revealed that domestic memory manufacturers took the initiative to come to the door, hoping to expand their overseas production tentacles as much as possible before the handover of the new and old US governments. Now DDR4 production capacity supply is no longer a problem, and the production capacity of domestic DRAM manufacturers has increased significantly, and the chaos of oversupply in the market has emerged.

Due to the continuous dumping of a large number of DDR4 chips in the domestic market in recent months, and the resale of a large number of second-hand DDR4 products disassembled from server applications, now that domestic DRAM manufacturers have joined the war, the price of DDR4 has fallen in a bloodbath.

In terms of the price of DDR4 disassembled boards, it used to be about 70% to 80% of the quotes of international manufacturers. However, since the second half of 2024, the market price competition has intensified, and it has now dropped to 50% to 60% of the original factory quotes. The prices released by domestic DRAM manufacturers recently are more flexible, which will be about 5% cheaper than the price of disassembled boards, reflecting that the pressure on each company to clear its DDR4 inventory has been extremely severe.

Recently, the Hefei plant of Changxin Storage, a representative domestic DRAM manufacturer, reported that due to human negligence, about 65,000 wafers had to be scrapped. In the case of failure to deliver on time, Changxin Storage issued an internal announcement, including the plant director, deputy plant director, and the head of the operation center. Many senior executives were punished. The industry believes that it may be caused by improper management of mask versions when switching equipment.

However, according to the plan, Changxin Storage's overall DRAM production capacity has grown from 70,000 pieces per month in 2022 to 200,000 pieces per month in 2024. The Hefei 2 plant and the Beijing plant will be expanded successively, and the total production capacity will reach 300,000 pieces in the future. It is estimated that the production capacity will account for 11% of the global DRAM market in 2024. Through production expansion and technology upgrades, Changxin Storage has become one of the top four DRAM manufacturers in the world.

As for Fujian Jinhua, which was once suspended due to US sanctions, it is reported that under the leadership of Huawei, it has become the best example of the transformation of domestic semiconductor companies. At present, Fujian Jinhua's DRAM production capacity continues to increase, and the DDR4 8Gb 3200 specification has become the main mass production. Although Jinhua has not disclosed the scale of mass production, it is estimated that the monthly production capacity will reach about 100,000 pieces by the end of 2024, and it is expected to expand to 120,000 pieces in 2025.

According to current market research, the spot market price of DDR4 8Gb chips is about $1.13, but the price quoted by domestic memory manufacturers can be between $0.75 and $1.0.

The memory supply chain said that driven by domestic government policy subsidies and localization policies, domestic DRAM manufacturers are not afraid of losing money at all, and local memory module manufacturers are willing to adopt localization. Manufacturers such as Longsys, BIWIN, and TWSC are considered to be the first echelon. With the assist power of domestic memory production capacity, they are expected to gain price and cost advantages in the consumer market.

Transcend Chairman Shu Chongwan said recently that the substantial expansion of domestic DRAM production capacity has indeed brought oversupply pressure to the market. Although industrial control customers will hardly use domestic DRAM at present, the impact on consumer products will be more obvious. Now Transcend's industrial control product revenue accounts for about 60%, but in order to maintain a fixed purchase scale from the original factory, the consumer market cannot be completely faded out, and a certain revenue share must still be maintained.

As domestic DDR4 spreads to the terminal market, it is reported that the two Korean manufacturers plan to significantly reduce the proportion of DDR4 production capacity and develop towards high-end DDR5 and HBM3 and above specifications.

The industry believes that through the reduction of DDR4 production capacity supply by large manufacturers, the phenomenon of DRAM oversupply in 2025 is expected to improve, but Taiwanese DRAM manufacturers will probably bear the brunt and will face off with domestic manufacturers in the DDR4 battlefield. The memory industry is not only an industry that competes on production capacity, but also on process upgrade speed. Once Changxin and other manufacturers accelerate capacity expansion and technology speed upgrades towards DDR5, the competitive pressure in the DRAM industry in the future may increase day by day.
 
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Domestic DRAM capacity overflows overseas, Korean industry is rumored to be reducing DDR4 capacity supply
2024/11/18

Domestic DRAM industry capacity has expanded significantly, expanding from the domestic market to the overseas market, resulting in intensified industry competition.

Domestic DRAM capacity has been increased in large quantities, and consumer DDR4 is the first to bear the brunt. Oversupply will lead to intensified price competition. Not only Changxin Storage is actively expanding production, but Fujian Jinhua, which was once sanctioned by the United States, has also moved towards DDR4 mass production.

Taiwanese memory module industry revealed that the current domestic memory factory DDR4 quotation is 5% cheaper than the second-hand goods circulating on the market, and the price is almost half the price of the three major international DRAM companies. Under domestic low-price competition, the two major Korean industry companies are rumored to reduce their DDR4 capacity and are forced to accelerate development towards high-end applications.

Although Trump's new policy has not yet been implemented, it has already brought a high degree of uncertainty to the domestic semiconductor industry. The industry pointed out that domestic memory manufacturers are actively seeking overseas outlets recently. Although domestic DRAM is not included in the official US blacklist restrictions, it still tries to avoid exporting to the United States, Europe and other regions.

It is understood that domestic manufacturers hope to enter the huge Indian market through Taiwanese manufacturers in a roundabout way, mainly considering the relatively tense atmosphere between China and India. If they can use the brand awareness of Taiwanese manufacturers, they will be able to dilute the sensitive color of the red supply chain.

Industry insiders revealed that domestic memory manufacturers took the initiative to come to the door, hoping to expand their overseas production tentacles as much as possible before the handover of the new and old US governments. Now DDR4 production capacity supply is no longer a problem, and the production capacity of domestic DRAM manufacturers has increased significantly, and the chaos of oversupply in the market has emerged.

Due to the continuous dumping of a large number of DDR4 chips in the domestic market in recent months, and the resale of a large number of second-hand DDR4 products disassembled from server applications, now that domestic DRAM manufacturers have joined the war, the price of DDR4 has fallen in a bloodbath.

In terms of the price of DDR4 disassembled boards, it used to be about 70% to 80% of the quotes of international manufacturers. However, since the second half of 2024, the market price competition has intensified, and it has now dropped to 50% to 60% of the original factory quotes. The prices released by domestic DRAM manufacturers recently are more flexible, which will be about 5% cheaper than the price of disassembled boards, reflecting that the pressure on each company to clear its DDR4 inventory has been extremely severe.

Recently, the Hefei plant of Changxin Storage, a representative domestic DRAM manufacturer, reported that due to human negligence, about 65,000 wafers had to be scrapped. In the case of failure to deliver on time, Changxin Storage issued an internal announcement, including the plant director, deputy plant director, and the head of the operation center. Many senior executives were punished. The industry believes that it may be caused by improper management of mask versions when switching equipment.

However, according to the plan, Changxin Storage's overall DRAM production capacity has grown from 70,000 pieces per month in 2022 to 200,000 pieces per month in 2024. The Hefei 2 plant and the Beijing plant will be expanded successively, and the total production capacity will reach 300,000 pieces in the future. It is estimated that the production capacity will account for 11% of the global DRAM market in 2024. Through production expansion and technology upgrades, Changxin Storage has become one of the top four DRAM manufacturers in the world.

As for Fujian Jinhua, which was once suspended due to US sanctions, it is reported that under the leadership of Huawei, it has become the best example of the transformation of domestic semiconductor companies. At present, Fujian Jinhua's DRAM production capacity continues to increase, and the DDR4 8Gb 3200 specification has become the main mass production. Although Jinhua has not disclosed the scale of mass production, it is estimated that the monthly production capacity will reach about 100,000 pieces by the end of 2024, and it is expected to expand to 120,000 pieces in 2025.

According to current market research, the spot market price of DDR4 8Gb chips is about $1.13, but the price quoted by domestic memory manufacturers can be between $0.75 and $1.0.

The memory supply chain said that driven by domestic government policy subsidies and localization policies, domestic DRAM manufacturers are not afraid of losing money at all, and local memory module manufacturers are willing to adopt localization. Manufacturers such as Longsys, BIWIN, and TWSC are considered to be the first echelon. With the assist power of domestic memory production capacity, they are expected to gain price and cost advantages in the consumer market.

Transcend Chairman Shu Chongwan said recently that the substantial expansion of domestic DRAM production capacity has indeed brought oversupply pressure to the market. Although industrial control customers will hardly use domestic DRAM at present, the impact on consumer products will be more obvious. Now Transcend's industrial control product revenue accounts for about 60%, but in order to maintain a fixed purchase scale from the original factory, the consumer market cannot be completely faded out, and a certain revenue share must still be maintained.

As domestic DDR4 spreads to the terminal market, it is reported that the two Korean manufacturers plan to significantly reduce the proportion of DDR4 production capacity and develop towards high-end DDR5 and HBM3 and above specifications.

The industry believes that through the reduction of DDR4 production capacity supply by large manufacturers, the phenomenon of DRAM oversupply in 2025 is expected to improve, but Taiwanese DRAM manufacturers will probably bear the brunt and will face off with domestic manufacturers in the DDR4 battlefield. The memory industry is not only an industry that competes on production capacity, but also on process upgrade speed. Once Changxin and other manufacturers accelerate capacity expansion and technology speed upgrades towards DDR5, the competitive pressure in the DRAM industry in the future may increase day by day.
After everything micron and usa did to JHICC, it's a huge news that they are mass producing DDR4 let alone having 100K production capacity. Their specifications were first introduced in 2016 so they are a bit behind for now. But really hoping they can jump into DDR5 and LPDDR5 too! This will be a bloodbath for Samsung since DRAM usually accounts for large portion of their revenue.

It's just hard to believe Samsung is being torn apart into pieces by Chinese from all front. Be it BOE, Xiaomi, Vivo, YMTC, TSMC, SMIC, CXMT, Omnivision and many others. Also equally impressive as to what a jagornaut Samsung is
 
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