Chinese semiconductor thread II

FairAndUnbiased

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The biggest impact of this is what happens to US chips fabrication which is supposed to be advanced by the CHIPS Act.

INTC is the best domestic company in place make use of those subsidies and grants. If Intel is casting off plants (or projected plants) then anyone else taking over their manufacturing division will have far less experience and, frankly, ability to do fab. Qualcomm is design and fabless. They won't do much more for the US position by taking over Intel design assets.

Other than Micron and TI, who are far behind Intel, there is really no one to pick up manufacturing if Intel drops it.

Seems the bet now is everything on TSMC in Arizona.
Micron and TI cannot do what Intel does. They're not behind, they're not in the same game. Memory and analog are far different than leading edge digital logic.

There is GloFo though.
 

GiantPanda

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Short term they sold 49% of their Irish fab to Apollo for a cool $11 billion USD just a couple months ago.

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Intel is really good at financial engineering.
I really like this quip!

BTW, their Irish fab sells a lot to China. In fact, Ireland exports 70% of all chips to China. INTC giving up majority stake is to find a political solution to future bans.
 

huemens

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Nvidia’s AI chips are cheaper to rent in China than US​

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The cost of renting cloud services using Nvidia’s leading artificial intelligence chips is lower in China than in the US, a sign that the advanced processors are easily reaching the Chinese market despite Washington’s export restrictions.
Four small-scale Chinese cloud providers charge local tech groups roughly $6 an hour to use a server with eight Nvidia A100 processors in a base configuration, companies and customers told the Financial Times. Small cloud vendors in the US charge about $10 an hour for the same set-up.
He estimated there were more than 100,000 Nvidia H100 processors in the country based on their widespread availability in the market.
 

GiantPanda

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Micron and TI cannot do what Intel does. They're not behind, they're not in the same game. Memory and analog are far different than leading edge digital logic.

There is GloFo though.

I threw out a few names I could I think of in US chips who might be able to bring something to the table in manufacturing and forgot Global Foundries. You are absolutely correct.
 

tokenanalyst

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Shaoguang Core Materials completed nearly 100 million yuan in B+ round financing, becoming a "little giant" enterprise in photomask materials​


According to Dachen Capital, Dachen recently led the investment in the nearly RMB 100 million B+ round of financing for Shaoguang Core Materials, a leading domestic semiconductor material company. This is also the first investment completed by Dachen Small and Medium Fund Phase II after the first round.
Changsha Shaoguang Core Material Technology Co., Ltd.'s official website shows that the company was established in 2003. Shaoguang Core Material's predecessor was a major scientific and technological project in 1980 that imported a full set of equipment and process technology from Germany to support integrated circuit chip manufacturing. After the system reform and transformation into a fully private economic system in 2011, it further exploded with vitality and became a photomask material (also known as photomask substrate, chrome plate, photomask substrate) research and development and production enterprise supporting integrated circuit chip manufacturing. Shaoguang Core Material's photomask materials have established a high-quality brand and reputation in the domestic photomask market, and have been recognized for their professionalism in the industry.
Recently, the Department of Industry and Information Technology of Hunan Province released the review list of the third batch of specialized, sophisticated and innovative "little giants" in Hunan Province, and Changsha Shaoguang Core Materials Technology Co., Ltd. was included in the list.
Dachen Capital pointed out that Shaoguang Core Materials uses advanced magnetron sputtering technology and precise processing technology to ensure the high performance and reliability of photomask substrates. It is technologically advanced among similar products in China and has mastered the full-process processing technology of blank substrates. Its market share is steadily increasing. The micro-nano optical components it produces have brought revolutionary changes to the optical field with their unique micro-nano structures and are widely used in microelectronics, optics, optoelectronics, nanodevices, biochips, optical communications and other industries.

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Nvidia’s AI chips are cheaper to rent in China than US​

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yep, saw this one.

It does make you question the commonly held belief that China is card constrained. I actually do think they are supply constrained.

The issue is that while small cloud providers in China can fully utilize this, the larger players that need several hundred thousand GPUs really can't

interesting bit on prices
In Shenzhen’s Huaqiangbei electronics market, salespeople speaking to the FT quoted the equivalent of $23,000-$30,000 for Nvidia’s H100 plug-in cards. Online sellers quote the equivalent of $31,000-$33,000.
Nvidia charges customers $20,000-$23,000 for H100 chips after recently cutting prices, according to Dylan Patel of SemiAnalysis.
One data centre vendor in China said servers made by Silicon Valley’s Supermicro and fitted with eight H100 chips hit a peak selling price of Rmb3.2mn after the Biden administration tightened export restrictions in October. He said prices had since fallen to Rmb2.5mn as supply constraints eased.
Several people involved in the trade said merchants in Malaysia, Japan and Indonesia often shipped Supermicro servers or Nvidia processors to Hong Kong before bringing them across the border to Shenzhen.
 

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A little update on Biren Tech.

It introduced a training solution for combining Biren, Nvidia & other domestic AI chips.
This was designed in conjunction with China Telecom, ZTE, Sensetime and more. So, it seems like Biren has secured some customers
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Interestingly enough, it no longer advertises BR100 or BR104. It has quietly moved to BR106
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No more mention of capabilities, but now it just talks about power consumption. Seems like the result of too much attention previously.

It unveiled AIPC product recently.
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It's GPUs were used in China Mobiles' Hohhot Data center, which has 6.7 EFLOPS computation
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It also joined China Telecom's smart computation alliance
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quokka

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Specialist 'carbon nanotube' AI chip built by Chinese scientists is 1st of its kind and highly energy-efficient​

"According to the scientists, their TPU consumes just 295 microwatts (μW) of power (where 1 W is 1,000,000 μW) and can deliver 1 trillion operations per watt — a unit of energy efficiency."


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