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Interesting of what you said that " ... Huawei has a permanent ARM license ....."
How come? and why would ARM do that to Huawei?
Is permanent license include latest Arm version ?
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How come? and why would ARM do that to Huawei?
Is permanent license include latest Arm version ?
Is news from 2019
IDK maybe because Huawei was willing to pay extra before the sanctions, for the ability to use their own tooling.
No, is for the ARM8 ISA only, that is why in my comment I said that ARM can't sell updates to Huawei, they have to develop the tools in-house now.
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Tens of millions of yuan! Domestic industrial intelligence manufacturers completed A+ round of financing; domestic sensors completed B round of financing!
According to Zhuoyuan Asia, GEZE Precision Technology (Suzhou) Co., Ltd. (hereinafter referred to as GEZE Technology) has recently completed its A+ round of financing. As an old shareholder, Zhuoyuan Asia continued to make additional investments. GEZE Technology has two wholly-owned subsidiaries, GazerSemi and GazerSense, whose businesses cover the two major fields of semiconductor measurement equipment and industrial intelligent sensor products respectively.
It is reported that GEZE Technology focuses on the research and development and innovation of semiconductor optical measurement equipment and industrial intelligent optical sensing products. Currently, both GEZE Semiconductor and GEZE Sensing have achieved large-scale shipments.
According to Zhuoyuan Asia, GEZE Technology's semiconductor measurement equipment has been delivered to a number of state-owned semiconductor companies and listed companies; sensor products have been used in the production lines of lithium battery customers such as CATL, BYD, and Guoxuan High-tech.
It is reported that GEZE Technology has completed the online wafer measurement technology for 12-inch large-size wafers, covering FTIR film thickness measurement technology, element concentration measurement technology, etc., which can be applied to the measurement and inspection needs of wafers made of materials such as silicon, silicon carbide, gallium nitride, gallium arsenide, and indium phosphide. The FTIR film thickness measurement equipment has been put into mass production and has been delivered to many well-known semiconductor companies such as central enterprises, state-owned enterprises, and listed wafer companies, and is used in the batch measurement of silicon carbide and silicon wafer epitaxial layers.
In addition, GEZE Technology received tens of millions of yuan in Pre-A round of strategic financing in May 2023, invested by Xiaomiao Fund, Sugaoxin Science and Technology Angel Fund and others; in November 2023, it completed a new round of financing of tens of millions of yuan, jointly invested by Su Chuangtou·Guofa Venture Capital, Sugaoxin Rongsheng, Yuanhe Yuandian, Zehe Venture Capital, Zhuoyuan Capital and other institutions.
The license suspension is still a serious medium term issue for Huawei. They can’t develop any chips that use any ARMv9 instructions so they’re essentially frozen at their current version of ARM. They could choose to extend the instruction set with their own new version but in the longer term will probably need to switch to RISC-V.
Depend the term of the agreement, but given that Huawei is now controlling the own OS and software ecosystem they could create their own ISA more optimize to their Hardware.
Why wouldn't they if they could. It's not like western companies are hesitant to sell to China. It's the government that is forcing their hands. In case of ARM they announced very early on, that they have no problem working with Huawei because ARM is not of US origin. Even with permanent ISA license (which is expensive) there's a per-chip royalty paid to ARM ( but much smaller than the royalty for Cortex cores). So Selling them an ISA license ensures that ARM will continue to get money from Huawei even if they get cut off from Cortex cores in the future. If Huawei moves to something else ARM gets nothing from them and given the dominant nature of Huawei in the Chinese market, whatever Huawei adopts could be detrimental to ARM market-share.
Probably. ARM has publicly said they have no problem licensing v9 ISA to Huawei and other Chinese companies and sometime ago someone here posted a picture of a presentation slide which says Huawei has got v9 permanent license too.
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That is only if UK is not banning like the US. If arm v9 is essential for the success for Huawei, US will make UK to ban it.