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This is the first picture of the SMEE 28nm DUV Immersion Lithography machine SSA800. The first unit has apparently been delivered to a client for testing and verification. Mass production will start in 2021.
This machine can produce Chips in the 7nm node using multiple patterning.
 

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PikeCowboy

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Looks cool, how many of these machines are typically required for "commericial production" of a particular cellphone chip? I hear ASML really only makes 20 machines per year to supply the whole world
 

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This is the first picture of the SMEE 28nm DUV Immersion Lithography machine SSA800. The first unit has apparently been delivered to a client for testing and verification. Mass production will start in 2021.
This machine can produce Chips in the 7nm node using multiple patterning.
Wow. I think only ASML and Nikon are capable of producing such a machine (Canon doesn't build anything capable of features <90nm, which puts it on the same level of SMEE, or least Canon used to have the same tech level as SMEE).
 

ShariQ Ansari

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This is the first picture of the SMEE 28nm DUV Immersion Lithography machine SSA800. The first unit has apparently been delivered to a client for testing and verification. Mass production will start in 2021.
This machine can produce Chips in the 7nm node using multiple patterning.
Does this machine uses any US built part, or is wholly independent developed in China.
 

free_6ix9ine

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This is the first picture of the SMEE 28nm DUV Immersion Lithography machine SSA800. The first unit has apparently been delivered to a client for testing and verification. Mass production will start in 2021.
This machine can produce Chips in the 7nm node using multiple patterning.

Is the client SMIC?
 

free_6ix9ine

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This is the first picture of the SMEE 28nm DUV Immersion Lithography machine SSA800. The first unit has apparently been delivered to a client for testing and verification. Mass production will start in 2021.
This machine can produce Chips in the 7nm node using multiple patterning.


Probably shouldn't tell the Americans or make a big news about this development. Or watch SMEE get added to entity list. Instead there should be strict OPSEC surrounding anything related to semiconductor equipment. In fact when we get a new fab up and running for Huawei we shouldnt even give it a name or release any info, making it harder for the US to sanction.
 

free_6ix9ine

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All business should be done using shell companies and complex corporate structures so it will be hard to sanction.
 

weig2000

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This is the first picture of the SMEE 28nm DUV Immersion Lithography machine SSA800. The first unit has apparently been delivered to a client for testing and verification. Mass production will start in 2021.
This machine can produce Chips in the 7nm node using multiple patterning.

Very impressive. You always know China would have backup or alternative plans for strategic technologies such as semiconductor, still the speed and timing of the rollout of the SMEE 28nm DUV are surprising. We were surprised in May last year - pleasantly at least for some people - when HiSilicone announced they had secret backup plan B ("spare tires") for many of the components under work for many years when the US decided to put Huawei on the Entity List. Of course, Huawei is a company. We're talking about the Chinese state here.

Not only the SMEE 28nm DUV lithography, but it also appears there has been intensive R&D program on EUV lithography and substantial progress have been made, say, by Changchun Institute of Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics. All these fall under the No 2 project of the
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(2006 - 2020). In 2015, when Obama administration announced the supercomputer chip (Intel Xeon and Xeon Phis) bans on a few Chinese organizations, China came back in about a year to reclaim the title of the world's fastest supercomputer with its own chips. A lot of times, these backup technologies or products don't even come to light or find wide applications because of the availability of better products in the market. The US bans on semiconductor equipment therefore pose a challenge as well as afford an opportunity to create and develop independent Chinese semiconductor industry. The biggest challenge for China to develop its own semiconductor industry at this stage is not technology or capital. It's the market and customers. With a large customer base, you can iterate and evolve your products, invest in R&D continuously, and close the gaps over time with the world's best.

Looking back at the recent history, the US has launched one after another bans on China in key technologies, without any successful records to show. This has been the case with satellite launches in the '90s, the AWACS aircraft in the '00s, the supercomputer chips in '10s. In each case, China ended up creating its own indigenous technologies and industry. The US currently still bans any cooperation between the two countries in space technologies and exploration, including attending related conferences in the US by Chinese space scientists. But look at what China has accomplished in space technologies, both peaceful and defense-related.

We'll see if the ban on semiconductor technologies will turn out differently this time.
 

free_6ix9ine

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Very impressive. You always know China would have backup or alternative plans for strategic technologies such as semiconductor, still the speed and timing of the rollout of the SMEE 28nm DUV are surprising. We were surprised in May last year - pleasantly at least for some people - when HiSilicone announced they had secret backup plan B ("spare tires") for many of the components under work for many years when the US decided to put Huawei on the Entity List. Of course, Huawei is a company. We're talking about the Chinese state here.

Not only the SMEE 28nm DUV lithography, but it also appears there has been intensive R&D program on EUV lithography and substantial progress have been made, say, by Changchun Institute of Optics, Fine Mechanics and Physics. All these fall under the No 2 project of the
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(2006 - 2020). In 2015, when Obama administration announced the supercomputer chip (Intel Xeon and Xeon Phis) bans on a few Chinese organizations, China came back in about a year to reclaim the title of the world's fastest supercomputer with its own chips. A lot of times, these backup technologies or products don't even come to light or find wide applications because of the availability of better products in the market. The US bans on semiconductor equipment therefore pose a challenge as well as afford an opportunity to create and develop independent Chinese semiconductor industry. The biggest challenge for China to develop its own semiconductor industry at this stage is not technology or capital. It's the market and customers. With a large customer base, you can iterate and evolve your products, invest in R&D continuously, and close the gaps over time with the world's best.

Looking back at the recent history, the US has launched one after another bans on China in key technologies, without any successful records to show. This has been the case with satellite launches in the '90s, the AWACS aircraft in the '00s, the supercomputer chips in '10s. In each case, China ended up creating its own indigenous technologies and industry. The US currently still bans any cooperation between the two countries in space technologies and exploration, including attending related conferences in the US by Chinese space scientists. But look at what China has accomplished in space technologies, both peaceful and defense-related.

We'll see if the ban on semiconductor technologies will turn out differently this time.

Why is China publishing this? I think there should be media blackout, and extreme OPSEC, only insiders should know what is being researched or developed. By putting this out there we are basically begging for the US to sanction SMEE.

IMO we should develop all of the equipment for 7nm chips in absolute secrecy. We should also build fabs in secret. Get brokers to acquire equipment overseas via shell companies. So when Huawei comes out with new domestic made chips. The US won't even know where the chips are manufactured, whose equipment the fabs use, this makes it hard for them to sanction us.
 
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