China is not afraid of US sanctions, but needs significant domestic investments.
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I want to avoid creating juicy targets for the US like TSMC and ASML. I hope we continue developing our own domestic tech. But we should also finance and invest in foreign start ups and companies to create competition for TSMC and ASML so we can break their monopoly on key tech. Work with allies like Russia to do that would be a good option.
What are you taking about? We are definitely not strong enough yet that we are not afraid of sanctions. Right now we have no alternatives besides ASML for EuV. Sanctions are on the verge of killing Huawei.
I hope so. I would rather be pleasantly surprised one day that Huawei is launching domestically built 7nm chips than get piecemeal info.
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Interesting how a lot of the newbies are so pessimistic about China's future. Is it because you want China to surrender to the US as the only way China can get out this? People don't like how I use this analogy but here it goes again. Abusers tell their wives and girlfriends they beat, it's all about love. If they didn't love them, they wouldn't beat them. It's a bunch of bull because it's really about the abuser wanting to be in control. The abuser tells them they can't do anything without them so they get brainwashed into thinking they can't do anything on their own so they stay under the abuser's control because they'll have nothing without them.
Obama said China could never be innovative because it lacked the political freedoms that allowed innovation to flourish. China is exploding with innovation because either there is more freedom in China than the US lies about or you don't need freedom to be innovative. If Obama was trying to let China in on the secrets in being innovative, then why was he alarmed over Made in China 2025 where it called for China to be independent in strategic technologies? Giving the Chinese the secret to be innovative means competition for the US. So why would he want to create competitors to the US? It wasn't about innovation at all. It was the US trying to trick China into having the kinds of freedoms where the US can exploit and manipulate China much like how Facebook and Google are being vilified for how those freedoms are being used to exploit and manipulate Americans.
Obama said China could never be innovative because it lacked the political freedoms that allowed innovation to flourish. China is exploding with innovation because either there is more freedom in China than the US lies about or you don't need freedom to be innovative. If Obama was trying to let China in on the secrets in being innovative, then why was he alarmed over Made in China 2025 where it called for China to be independent in strategic technologies? Giving the Chinese the secret to be innovative means competition for the US. So why would he want to create competitors to the US? It wasn't about innovation at all. It was the US trying to trick China into having the kinds of freedoms where the US can exploit and manipulate China much like how Facebook and Google are being vilified for how those freedoms are being used to exploit and manipulate Americans.
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What I wrote applies to R&D. into future tech as well, ie quantum computing, quantum communication, carbon nanotube semiconductors.. Don't publish any research in journals. Strong opsec and media black out until it's commercialized into a end product. Because by the time it's already commercialized. The US will be behind because then they will devote more time into researching something we have already commercialized. If we give them hints to early, it allows them more lead time.
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Yes I would say triple down, but the focus needs to change, instead of focusing only on end user products like AI or cloud. We need to develop advanced manufacturing processes and IP in core technology as well.
"Liu Kun, a Beijing-based semiconductor industry analyst noted that even if the core component of the 28nm lithography equipment may not be made in China, it would be a breakthrough for the Chinese company to package such equipment.
It may take three to five years for companies like Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation (SMIC) to make the 28nm equipment by itself and there is still a long way to go, but Chinese companies are ramping up efforts, according to Liu. "
This is a giveaway quote right here. My bet is 99.9% the above pictured machine has in it foreign parts for the "core component" and SMEE is just packaging it. Hence why they are not being secretive about it because if they purchased a foreign core component for this machine then it cannot be a secret. The reality is China is light years behind, sigh.
I'm pretty sure this guy is confusing resolution and node. 28nm resolution can make 7nm node lol. Yes like I said it's most likely contains foreign parts. But still a good step.
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