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AssassinsMace said:
If it works for the job who cares? The US's most advanced nuclear warhead was designed on an Apple IIe. It wasn't done on a supercomputer. Or how about when the US ban Chinese chips on US military hardware, how was it Chinese chips were still found being used on US military technology? It's because some US military contractor broke the law and wanted to make more money by buying a Chinese alternative that was cheaper that did the same job.
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Yes. Currently in China some people uses local equipment to make self designed power, led and analog chips.

Digital chips will be starting soon.

As long as you don't crave the latest model of cellphone you are fine.

China doing fine with WS10 engine.
 
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Huawei still can use western software for design. Just no upgrade that's all. Many small Chinese firms used pirated western eda softwares for designs and send to fabs for productions.

Short term wise, stockpile as many western equipments as possible..

Indeginous stuffs gonna take time.
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The GoV should give them a kick in the back and require them to find replacements in X years.

I know how some of these business work. If it is up to them, they will keep pirating US EDA and wont even bother with domestic replacements. The domestic EDA need a big market and is the GoV job to "help" them

Start requiring replacements so that these "muh profits!" businesses are forced to invest and buy domestic replacements and NOT from Japanese/EU or S.Korea (maybe a deal can be struck with this country)
 
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The GoV should give them a kick in the back and require them to find replacements in X years.

I know how some of these business work. If it is up to them, they will keep pirating US EDA and wont even bother with domestic replacements. The domestic EDA need a big market and is the GoV job to "help" them

Start requiring replacements so that these "muh profits!" businesses are forced to invest and buy domestic replacements and NOT from Japanese/EU or S.Korea (maybe a deal can be struck with this country)
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Actually Huawei is sponsoring the domestic eda software which soon to be IPO.

The problem is government allowed US eda installed in Universities and students got used to using it. It takes long time just master the usage of a particular software.
 
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I never said China wasn't complaining. Why is the US complaining? They stopped selling chips to China. Why are they worried over Chinese moving to independently make chips. If they think Chinese are too dumb, why are they worried and complaining? It's because the goal was thinking China would submit to US demands not go independent.
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The Chinese are complaining because it is very important, as these bans affect the bottom line and Chinese companies will make less money. Since Chinese people are cheap, Chinese will complain bitterly. Like we should!

The Americans are complaining because integrated circuits, or micro electronics, is the last remaining industry that involves manufacturing that America has a real advantage and is an undisputed world leader.

It is like when someone grows old, and they complain they are old.

The Americans know they are fighting a losing battle. They just want to slow China down, which is in the hopes of something else happening or someone thinks up a new plan.

It is all domestic politics too, as no American politician want to be left holding the bag when something like a lost of leadership happens.

Hence, the Americans have no strategy at all.
 
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The problem is government allowed US eda installed in Universities and students got used to using it
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Lmao they did what?

Did China really let their young generation of engineers and scientists to get used in US tools? Hahaha

Yeah, China really needs their national security principle to penetrate the whole society because this thing is far too crazy to be happening
 
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I know little about semiconductors. I read a lot of optimism and breakthroughs on the Chinese side on the road to being self-sufficient and I hope it's true. I read how the US wants to stop China from achieving independence. It's not because China will place some insidious programming in those chips to scare people from buying it. They don't have to buy it. It's because they want to make all the money from technology. Money is the root of everything they want to control. China bought 60% of the world's chips before US bans. You think they want to lose 60% of the money they make that gives them control? The ban is about holding chips to China hostage so they can make demands to change China where they have more control over China. Everything they do against China is to achieve this level of control. Even genocide is just an excuse. The biggest Islamophobes on the planet care about Muslims being oppressed? Genocide is the most serious human rights charge one can make yet where are these self-anointed champions of humanity and their armies invading China to stop genocide? They don't even break diplomatic and economic relations with a genocidal regime which is the least they could do. All because they're hanging on what money they're making now. It's a big gamble for the West based on believing non-white people don't have the intellect to do anything, especially technological, themselves but even they know that's more wishful thinking because then they wouldn't have to try to stop China's plans for independence. It's over for them when China can develop it themselves. Bill Maher go a lot attention in the MSM for his editorial over silly people. Even some notorious members in here expose they're silly people because they think even if China can make their own chips, somehow the West has to accept them in order for it to considered successful. It's a no-brainer what the West's answer is going to be. The only thing that matters is that it works.

The amazing thing about China achieving independence does nothing against the West... that isn't theirs in the first place. The West doesn't have to the right to make money from everyone else. The West doesn't have a right to control everything. They believe it but they won't say it out loud because they know the world will turn against them. China can sell their chips to whoever they want. It's like Obama's argument to the world to not be involved with China's AIIB. He charges China will have less restrictions for countries who take loans. Since when do countries that want loans want more conditions placed on themselves in order to get it? This is America thinking everyone else is dumb because they just have to suggest a negative connotation in general to get everyone to avoid it.

The less money the West makes, the less they can do with what they already have. China bought 60% of world's chips means everyone's cut in the West is 60% less now. Production costs go up because China is no longer a part of their chain meaning smaller profit margins. They have less money to spend or they have to raise prices in order to make up their losses. China comes in with a cheaper alternative and electronics companies will buy because they want larger profit margins. If they don't, competitors will buy and then they go bankrupt because their products are too expensive and can't compete. That's how the West's own capitalist market principles work.
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But what if they put a duty on stuff they contains Chinese made chips etc etc to make Chinese stuff 3x dearer then a similar locally made product?
 
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But what if they put a duty on stuff they contains Chinese made chips etc etc to make Chinese stuff 3x dearer then a similar locally made product?
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Well that's on their products which means more expensive to consumers then they go bankrupt because they can't compete in the world. China is a continent size market, they can survive without the US.
 
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