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daifo

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If you really want china to start decoupling from US how about china start the move first and not the US. Because what I see right now is that china is waiting for US's move. So start ordering Lenovo, Inspur, Sugon, Huawei, Xiaomi, Chuwei to stop buying Intel CPU or AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU or AMD GPU for their commercial servers and PC/Laptop next year. Start using Kunping CPU or Loongson CPU next year. How many Lenovo Laptop or Huawei Laptop that were using Loongson CPU in China? Also start ordering Xiaomi and BBK to abandon Qualcomm next year and start using CPU made by Unisoc. Will you?
China is already requiring gov to use domestic technology. There is no point for China to decouple when their tech is outdated and they can't manufacture cutting edge general computing or mobile chips. Foreverone proposing that, I have to ask if anyone of you using a Loongson or Zhaoxin cpu or even deepin as a daily machine? Also, the US is highly control by rich people running rich companies. Tossing them out doesn't help US-China relationship.
 

caudaceus

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China is already requiring gov to use domestic technology. There is no point for China to decouple when their tech is outdated and they can't manufacture cutting edge general computing or mobile chips. Foreverone proposing that, I have to ask if anyone of you using a Loongson or Zhaoxin cpu or even deepin as a daily machine? Also, the US is highly control by rich people running rich companies. Tossing them out doesn't help US-China relationship.
50% Intel revenue and Nvidia came from China. They will be bankrupt overnight if government either US or China forces massive decoupling.
 

Kazuo Ken

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China is already requiring gov to use domestic technology. There is no point for China to decouple when their tech is outdated and they can't manufacture cutting edge general computing or mobile chips. Foreverone proposing that, I have to ask if anyone of you using a Loongson or Zhaoxin cpu or even deepin as a daily machine? Also, the US is highly control by rich people running rich companies. Tossing them out doesn't help US-China relationship.
Tell that to voyager
 

Tyler

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50% Intel revenue and Nvidia came from China. They will be bankrupt overnight if government either US or China forces massive decoupling.
Is that because some of these intel and nvidia chips are imported into China and then re-exported after these chips are placed inside laptop and computer servers from various brands?
 

gadgetcool5

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China is already requiring gov to use domestic technology. There is no point for China to decouple when their tech is outdated and they can't manufacture cutting edge general computing or mobile chips. Foreverone proposing that, I have to ask if anyone of you using a Loongson or Zhaoxin cpu or even deepin as a daily machine? Also, the US is highly control by rich people running rich companies. Tossing them out doesn't help US-China relationship.
I'm using Deepin 20 as my daily machine and have been since December 2020. There's no problem with it. The only reason most don't use it is they are too lazy to download and install Linux and learn a few command line skills. But if it shipped as a default pre-installed option with some of the kinks cleaned up that's a different matter. I would never go back to Windows now unless forced.

I would use Loongson or Zhaoxin as well, it's probably even easier, since most people don't use high intensity gaming that requires massive CPU. The only reason I don't use it is Loongson and Zhaoxin aren't available on the consumer market for PCs?
 

sndef888

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Recently read an analysis that Phytium was blocked from using US chips because it was designing hypersonic missiles for the PLA.

One poster mentioned that military equipment does not require cutting edge node, but the designing itself does.

Is this true? If so it would be a pretty big disadvantage to China, since domestic tech is still only at 28nm
 

Kancil

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If you really want china to start decoupling from US how about china start the move first and not the US. Because what I see right now is that china is waiting for US's move. So start ordering Lenovo, Inspur, Sugon, Huawei, Xiaomi, Chuwei to stop buying Intel CPU or AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU or AMD GPU for their commercial servers and PC/Laptop next year. Start using Kunping CPU or Loongson CPU next year. How many Lenovo Laptop or Huawei Laptop that were using Loongson CPU in China? Also start ordering Xiaomi and BBK to abandon Qualcomm next year and start using CPU made by Unisoc. Will you?
It's better for the American to kill Qualcomm by stopping the supply of 5G chips to Xiaomi, BBK and other Chinese companies, as threaten by Tom Cotton and Rubio. The Chinese will be blameless. The Chinese shouldn't bother with banning anyone. They should be open for business. When the Chinese chips are ready for the market, their record for reliability of supply will be very helpful, and the American will be done.
 

Kazuo Ken

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It's better for the American to kill Qualcomm by stopping the supply of 5G chips to Xiaomi, BBK and other Chinese companies, as threaten by Tom Cotton and Rubio. The Chinese will be blameless. The Chinese shouldn't bother with banning anyone. They should be open for business. When the Chinese chips are ready for the market, their record for reliability of supply will be very helpful, and the American will be done.
That guy was talking about decoupling. So that's how I respond to his request. Decoupling =/= banning. The products still available in Chinese Market but Chinese vendors choose to use domestic components instead. Understand?
 

Kazuo Ken

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Just like the situation with Chinese HSR train. China prioritises domestic suppliers(from the rolling stock to components). The market is still open to foreign vendors but domestic manufacturers and technology have dominated the market where China doesn't need foreign technology anymore. Although this is not really a decoupling.
 
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