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Oldschool

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Lmao they did what?

Did China really let their young generation of engineers and scientists to get used in US tools? Hahaha

Yeah, China really needs their national security principle to penetrate the whole society because this thing is far too crazy to be happening
That's US EDA companies strategy. Make Chinese students get used to their stuffs.
Partnering up with Universities engineering programs .
Free softwares usage. Chinese people like free stuffs.

Chips companies too get free evaluation kits to universities and students got used US chips functionalities.

Yes, US has corrupted new gen of Chinese engineers.

Need a mini cultural revolution to rectify the situation.

Put a immediate ban on US softwares and hardware's in University engineering programs!
 

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But what if they put a duty on stuff they contains Chinese made chips etc etc to make Chinese stuff 3x dearer then a similar locally made product?
1. The United States does not speak to China from a position of strength, in this case of consumer electronics, because there is close to none laptop production or cell phone production in the United States.

2. The United States government can try to prohibit the sales of Chinese made chips or the like inside America. But that would be like telling the entire supply chain outside of America to do it their way, which is essentially impossible. And there still is no domestic production of laptops or cell phones.

3. The United States government, logically faced with no method of stopping the world, choose to impose sanctions via restrictions on their own American companies. The Americans will degrade their own interests their corporate interests in order to stop the Chinese. This is a replay of the Vietnam War, where they had to burn down the village to save village.

4. This strategy is working because the compliant and cheerleading American Liberal media tells us it is working. That this mythical supply chain will re-locate soon.

5. Only foreigners can see the irony here. The world today of globalization, was mostly built by the Americans the last few decades. Now they do not like what they built and are thinking of extricating themselves from it.

6. China thinks ... like so what? China is doing the RCEP, the BRI, and maybe the CAI. China wants to do something even bigger!

7. I do not believe there will be another new cold war between the two combatants. It probably will only be about China, China, China, Chyna!
 

Oldschool

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The important thing Chinese government can do now besides rid of US softwares in University program, is establish multiple academic fabs across the country. This type of fabs must use 100% domestic equipments and chemicals. I think 90nm is good choice.

University programs and academic institution can do R&D on those fabs.
Government will spend the money to acquire those tools and installed at those R&D fabs.

Feedbacks can be sent back to domestic producers for improvement.

Only through continuous feedback and wide usage through many years can domestic players be strong.

Right now, whole industry is fragmented so unified approach at academic level will form the bedrock.

90nm 100%domestic tech at academic R&D fabs will be the turning point in reeducate the whole gen of engineering students.
 
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Law firm and read Chinese?
A young Gordon Chang? Lol
Just kidding...
Anyway, in the past , all those anti China guys are all pretty knowledgable about China and study Chinese . They study alot about China so they like find out China weak points.
Chang, Bannon, Pillsbury, ratner..etc they all went that route.
Nah, just a curious monkey. I'm leaving my lawyer job to be a PhD economics student in August. I work in trade law and it's gotten me interested in Chinese technological development.
 

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1. The United States does not speak to China from a position of strength, in this case of consumer electronics, because there is close to none laptop production or cell phone production in the United States.

2. The United States government can try to prohibit the sales of Chinese made chips or the like inside America. But that would be like telling the entire supply chain outside of America to do it their way, which is essentially impossible. And there still is no domestic production of laptops or cell phones.

3. The United States government, logically faced with no method of stopping the world, choose to impose sanctions via restrictions on their own American companies. The Americans will degrade their own interests their corporate interests in order to stop the Chinese. This is a replay of the Vietnam War, where they had to burn down the village to save village.

4. This strategy is working because the compliant and cheerleading American Liberal media tells us it is working. That this mythical supply chain will re-locate soon.

5. Only foreigners can see the irony here. The world today of globalization, was mostly built by the Americans the last few decades. Now they do not like what they built and are thinking of extricating themselves from it.

6. China thinks ... like so what? China is doing the RCEP, the BRI, and maybe the CAI. China wants to do something even bigger!

7. I do not believe there will be another new cold war between the two combatants. It probably will only be about China, China, China, Chyna!
There are noises being made by businesses, academics politicians etc that more NZ businesses should follow Gallaghers lead in not using Chinese manufacturing or sourced parts. Their management claims that while dearer, they are winning contracts all around the world.



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Oldschool

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Nah, just a curious monkey. I'm leaving my lawyer job to be a PhD economics student in August. I work in trade law and it's gotten me interested in Chinese technological development.
The tech of decoupling is on the way.
Once China become independent, no longer needs western equipments to make chips. And no longer purchase US, Taiwan , Korea chips.

It's not that China catch up , more like China doesn't do assembly work of western components for western market and it's own domestic market doesn't need the most leading edge. Same true for non western markets.

How you see yourself in such world? You may got into a wrong area. There would be little interactions between China and US tech. There wouldn't be enough business in the area you focused.

2018 is the peak of China US tech coupling and going downhill until there is nothing left one day.

Maybe you can focus more on taiwanese tech because it will more integrated into US economy.

But large amount of western media exclusively focus on China to make a living because it sells even thought things have nothing to do western world.
 
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OASIS files are occasionally used as well
All eda produce a final binary output called gdsII. Fab independent. I mentioned before.
Just like PC board design , all produced a fab independent Gerber file for production.

Fab depends on the type of softwares is ridiculous.

Some of those western media writers are tech ignorant.
 
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The tech of decoupling is on the way.
Once China become independent, no longer needs western equipments to make chips. And no longer purchase US, Taiwan , Korea chips.

It's not that China catch up , more like China doesn't do assembly work of western components for western market and it's own domestic market doesn't need the most leading edge. Same true for non western markets.

How you see yourself in such world? You may got into a wrong area. There would be little interactions between China and US tech. There wouldn't be enough business in the area you focused.

2018 is the peak of China US tech coupling and going downhill until there is nothing left one day.

Maybe you can focus more on taiwanese tech because it will more integrated into US economy.

But large amount of western media exclusively focus on China to make a living because it sells even thought things have nothing to do western world.
Yes, I'm familiar with the process of economic development. My econ PhD stuff is going to be municipal finance and asset prices, lol. Currently do US-China stuff now. Going to be doing it until August and then not doing it for ~4ish years
 
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But what if they put a duty on stuff they contains Chinese made chips etc etc to make Chinese stuff 3x dearer then a similar locally made product?
Then US consumers will buy less stuff. Chinese exports to the United States were ~3% of Chinese GDP. It's a shock that can be mitigated with fiscal policy.
 

voyager1

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China should only increase tariffs on foreign chips if China has developed a similar level domestic chip tech and it needs a market to grow. In that case, tariff foreign chips and sit back and enjoy your domestic production scaling up easily.


After a couple of years, then they can drop the tariffs to introduce competition into the system.
 
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