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Phead128

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It's game over for China's entire tech sector if the US went "nuclear" and ban all general computing chips like in the case of a Taiwan conflict. China will always get squeezed on this in any type of negotiation. For China to have leverage and retain being the worlds tech factory, they need to popularize local tech stack. Tech may still be relative young in developing countries, so the next 5-10 year is the time for China to dump low cost computer/tablets/smartphones with a chinese development stack to get these people to start using it and making apps.

Ford motors had to shutdown their U.S. automotive manufacturing plants due to global semiconductor supply shortage, which costs Ford billions and billions of dollars.

Do you think it's that simple that US can simply "ban all computing chips" without a huge swath of US economy getting destroyed in the process?

That's called mutual assured destruction.
 

voyager1

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Personally I think China is wasting way too much money on AI chips and not nearly enough on the rest. Be it machine tools, software, or more common hardware like CPUs and GPUs.
True but thats the private companies spending the money. And you know how they are "Muh profits margins, too expensivee"

Obviously China has been spending way too little on Everything. Things have started to accelerate these past 2 years but they got late. Now they need more time
 

caudaceus

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Ford motors had to shutdown their U.S. automotive manufacturing plants due to global semiconductor supply shortage, which costs Ford billions and billions of dollars.

Do you think it's that simple that US can simply "ban all computing chips" without a huge swath of US economy getting destroyed in the process?

That's called mutual assured destruction.
I remember a joke

1991: Yay, globalization disincentive great power conflict!
2021: Oh no, globalization disincentive great power conflict!
 

antiterror13

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Banning Loongson from foreign chip manufacturers would actually be quite ineffective. Loongson does not do much business outside of China and its CPU chips do not use cutting edge process nodes. Loongson's latest commercial 3A4000 CPUs still use a 28nm process that can be manufactured inside China. The new commercial 3A5000 CPU chip uses a 12nm process that is within the capability of SMIC.

Most (>99%) Intel CPU is manufactured with 14nm process. I totally agree that AMD with 7nm is better than intel CPU, but the difference is marginal. This 3A500 has better process node than Intel ;)
 

voyager1

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Most (>99%) Intel CPU is manufactured with 14nm process. I totally agree that AMD with 7nm is better than intel CPU, but the difference is marginal. This 3A500 has better process node than Intel ;)
Wow is that 99% true? That means that the 3A500 can make serious bank.

Come on China, do it. Wait for 1-2 years for sufficient foundries capacity and nuke Intel from orbit

Btw congratulations to your promotion, Brigadier:):cool:
 

antiterror13

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Wow is that 99% true? That means that the 3A500 can make serious bank.

Come on China, do it. Wait for 1-2 years for sufficient foundries capacity and nuke Intel from orbit

Btw congratulations to your promotion, Brigadier:):cool:


Thanks, I didn't realise I am Brigadier now ;)

It is true that the majority of Intel CPU are 14nm process node. Only small percentage of mobile Intel CPU is on 10nm process, and is well known to have issues.

This is the latest Intel i7 11th generation desktop, launch date Q1 2021. High end i7 desktop with 8 cores/16 Threads ... you see still with 14nm process node :rolleyes:
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Personally I'm tempted to say that China's chip developers should focus on AI/Neural Processing Unit rather than general CPU.
I'm tempted to say that because Chinese universities graduate a lot of electrical engineers a year, China's chip developers can focus on logic, analog, RF, sensors, opto and discrete, all at once
 

KampfAlwin

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Thanks, I didn't realise I am Brigadier now ;)

It is true that the majority of Intel CPU are 14nm process node. Only small percentage of mobile Intel CPU is on 10nm process, and is well known to have issues.

This is the latest Intel i7 11th generation desktop, launch date Q1 2021. High end i7 desktop with 8 cores/16 Threads ... you see still with 14nm process node :rolleyes:
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Intel: “Hey now we don’t just say ‘14nm’ anymore, we say ‘14nm++++++++++++++++++++++++++++’ ;)
 
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