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Hendrik_2000

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Some more news on Loongson ISA. slowly China developed their own Proprietary instruction set
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'Historic breakthrough': Chinese company unveils self-developed CPU architecture
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File photo of a Loongson chip. /CFP
Loongson Technology, a leading Chinese chip company based in Beijing, unveiled on Thursday its fully self-developed CPU (central processing unit) architecture that uses an original instruction set, which has been hailed as a "historic breakthrough" by industry insiders.
The new infrastructure is named "LoongArch", short for "Loongson Architecture". It has passed the assessment of a leading third-party intellectual property evaluating agency, the company said.

An instruction set architecture (ISA) is the interface between computer hardware and software. It's the underlying architecture that supports the running of an operating system and a whole software ecosystem.
For example, the Windows operating system (OS) runs on U.S. company Intel Corporation's X86 architecture, and the Android mobile OS runs on ARM architecture developed by UK-based chip designer ARM Holdings.
The two best-known ISAs have been dominating on computers and smartphones worldwide since 2010, and both have very large industrial ecosystems including hardware like chips and software such as various applications.

Foreign CPU manufacturers have been using their ISAs as a tool to control the ecosystems and exclude competitors. Other companies have to pay royalties to get the licenses to develop CPUs compatible with them. If Chinese companies rely on those foreign ISAs, it's not possible for them to build an independent industrial ecosystem, according to the company.

"If we compare chip designing to writing articles, an ISA is like the language we use. Chinese people can write an article in English, but can never develop our national culture based on English," Hu Weiwu, chairman and chief scientist of Loongson, was quoted as saying by the Beijing Daily. He's also the chief engineer of the Institute of Computing Technology under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS).

The "LoongArch", which is an outcome of the company's 20 years of hard work and experience in CPU development and ecosystem building, has nearly 2,000 proprietary instructions, the company said.
It's also compatible with other mainstream ISAs, allowing the efficient operation of complicated programs written for other architectures.

So far, Loongson's CPU chip based on the new architecture, named "3A5000", has been taped out and is under internal test. Its processing performance is very close to that of mainstream products on the market, Hu said. A complete OS based on the "LoongArch" has also run stably on computers using the chip.
"Only with our proprietary ISA can we build a new pattern in the information technology industry and form our own industrial chain," Hu told the Science and Technology Daily.


Loongson Technology was jointly funded and set up in 2010 by the Beijing municipal government and the CAS, with the goal of industrializing the technological achievements of the CAS in chip research and development.
 

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Some more news on Loongson ISA. slowly China developed their own Proprietary instruction set
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'Historic breakthrough': Chinese company unveils self-developed CPU architecture
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File photo of a Loongson chip. /CFP
Loongson Technology, a leading Chinese chip company based in Beijing, unveiled on Thursday its fully self-developed CPU (central processing unit) architecture that uses an original instruction set, which has been hailed as a "historic breakthrough" by industry insiders.
The new infrastructure is named "LoongArch", short for "Loongson Architecture". It has passed the assessment of a leading third-party intellectual property evaluating agency, the company said.

An instruction set architecture (ISA) is the interface between computer hardware and software. It's the underlying architecture that supports the running of an operating system and a whole software ecosystem.
For example, the Windows operating system (OS) runs on U.S. company Intel Corporation's X86 architecture, and the Android mobile OS runs on ARM architecture developed by UK-based chip designer ARM Holdings.
The two best-known ISAs have been dominating on computers and smartphones worldwide since 2010, and both have very large industrial ecosystems including hardware like chips and software such as various applications.

Foreign CPU manufacturers have been using their ISAs as a tool to control the ecosystems and exclude competitors. Other companies have to pay royalties to get the licenses to develop CPUs compatible with them. If Chinese companies rely on those foreign ISAs, it's not possible for them to build an independent industrial ecosystem, according to the company.

"If we compare chip designing to writing articles, an ISA is like the language we use. Chinese people can write an article in English, but can never develop our national culture based on English," Hu Weiwu, chairman and chief scientist of Loongson, was quoted as saying by the Beijing Daily. He's also the chief engineer of the Institute of Computing Technology under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS).

The "LoongArch", which is an outcome of the company's 20 years of hard work and experience in CPU development and ecosystem building, has nearly 2,000 proprietary instructions, the company said.
It's also compatible with other mainstream ISAs, allowing the efficient operation of complicated programs written for other architectures.

So far, Loongson's CPU chip based on the new architecture, named "3A5000", has been taped out and is under internal test. Its processing performance is very close to that of mainstream products on the market, Hu said. A complete OS based on the "LoongArch" has also run stably on computers using the chip.
"Only with our proprietary ISA can we build a new pattern in the information technology industry and form our own industrial chain," Hu told the Science and Technology Daily.


Loongson Technology was jointly funded and set up in 2010 by the Beijing municipal government and the CAS, with the goal of industrializing the technological achievements of the CAS in chip research and development.
Huge breakthrough


So far, Loongson's CPU chip based on the new architecture, named "3A5000", has been taped out and is under internal test
Good job. Hopefully it can start mass production soon, China must quickly adopt their domestic tech.
However I have a suspicion that the US may ban from sourcing chips (TSMC, Samsung etc)
 

wxw456

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Good job. Hopefully it can start mass production soon, China must quickly adopt their domestic tech.
However I have a suspicion that the US may ban from sourcing chips (TSMC, Samsung etc)
Banning Loongson from foreign chip manufacturers would actually be quite ineffective. Loongson does not do much business outside of China and its CPU chips do not use cutting edge process nodes. Loongson's latest commercial 3A4000 CPUs still use a 28nm process that can be manufactured inside China. The new commercial 3A5000 CPU chip uses a 12nm process that is within the capability of SMIC.
 

voyager1

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Banning Loongson from foreign chip manufacturers would actually be quite ineffective. Loongson does not do much business outside of China and its CPU chips do not use cutting edge process nodes. Loongson's latest commercial 3A4000 CPUs still use a 28nm process that can be manufactured inside China. The new commercial 3A5000 CPU chip uses a 12nm process that is within the capability of SMIC.
Perfect. Good news

Lets hope that the government can encourage its adoption
 

voyager1

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China may substantially increase import tax for 5nm/7nm chips next year.
That seems strange. Why would they do that when China doesn't have domestic production, or if they have, it is too little to cover its needs?

It would only result in the domestic economy suffering. Maybe they want to do this so that they can raise prices and reduce thebstandard of living in the US? Dunno, that doesn't sound believable.

Any ideas why China would do this?
 

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That seems strange. Why would they do that when China doesn't have domestic production, or if they have, it is too little to cover its needs?

It would only result in the domestic economy suffering. Maybe they want to do this so that they can raise prices and reduce thebstandard of living in the US? Dunno, that doesn't sound believable.

Any ideas why China would do this?
make them set up inside China to avoid heavy tax. Like TSMC measly 16nm in nanjing is no good.
5nm/7nm products are really geared for assembly and export back to western market. Make their consumers foot the bills.
 

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Some more news on Loongson ISA. slowly China developed their own Proprietary instruction set
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'Historic breakthrough': Chinese company unveils self-developed CPU architecture
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File photo of a Loongson chip. /CFP
Loongson Technology, a leading Chinese chip company based in Beijing, unveiled on Thursday its fully self-developed CPU (central processing unit) architecture that uses an original instruction set, which has been hailed as a "historic breakthrough" by industry insiders.
The new infrastructure is named "LoongArch", short for "Loongson Architecture". It has passed the assessment of a leading third-party intellectual property evaluating agency, the company said.

An instruction set architecture (ISA) is the interface between computer hardware and software. It's the underlying architecture that supports the running of an operating system and a whole software ecosystem.
For example, the Windows operating system (OS) runs on U.S. company Intel Corporation's X86 architecture, and the Android mobile OS runs on ARM architecture developed by UK-based chip designer ARM Holdings.
The two best-known ISAs have been dominating on computers and smartphones worldwide since 2010, and both have very large industrial ecosystems including hardware like chips and software such as various applications.

Foreign CPU manufacturers have been using their ISAs as a tool to control the ecosystems and exclude competitors. Other companies have to pay royalties to get the licenses to develop CPUs compatible with them. If Chinese companies rely on those foreign ISAs, it's not possible for them to build an independent industrial ecosystem, according to the company.

"If we compare chip designing to writing articles, an ISA is like the language we use. Chinese people can write an article in English, but can never develop our national culture based on English," Hu Weiwu, chairman and chief scientist of Loongson, was quoted as saying by the Beijing Daily. He's also the chief engineer of the Institute of Computing Technology under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS).

The "LoongArch", which is an outcome of the company's 20 years of hard work and experience in CPU development and ecosystem building, has nearly 2,000 proprietary instructions, the company said.
It's also compatible with other mainstream ISAs, allowing the efficient operation of complicated programs written for other architectures.

So far, Loongson's CPU chip based on the new architecture, named "3A5000", has been taped out and is under internal test. Its processing performance is very close to that of mainstream products on the market, Hu said. A complete OS based on the "LoongArch" has also run stably on computers using the chip.
"Only with our proprietary ISA can we build a new pattern in the information technology industry and form our own industrial chain," Hu told the Science and Technology Daily.


Loongson Technology was jointly funded and set up in 2010 by the Beijing municipal government and the CAS, with the goal of industrializing the technological achievements of the CAS in chip research and development.

Lets hope they created some good development tools and compiler so software can get ported over to the new architecture easily.
 

caudaceus

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Lets hope they created some good development tools and compiler so software can get ported over to the new architecture easily.
Personally I'm tempted to say that China's chip developers should focus on AI/Neural Processing Unit rather than general CPU.
 

daifo

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Personally I'm tempted to say that China's chip developers should focus on AI/Neural Processing Unit rather than general CPU.
It's game over for China's entire tech sector if the US went "nuclear" and ban all general computing chips like in the case of a Taiwan conflict. China will always get squeezed on this in any type of negotiation. For China to have leverage and retain being the worlds tech factory, they need to popularize local tech stack. Tech may still be relative young in developing countries, so the next 5-10 year is the time for China to dump low cost computer/tablets/smartphones with a chinese development stack to get these people to start using it and making apps.
 
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