Chinese semiconductor industry

Status
Not open for further replies.

voyager1

Captain
Registered Member
To some people here who are trusting the West so much, check this article which was just published by Bloomberg

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

Michael McCaul of Texas, the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton asked the Commerce Department to require all U.S. makers of electronic design automation tools -- which help design computer chips -- to obtain a government license before exporting any products to China.
So you see, they are planning for TOTAL BAN on chip design tools on China. Pay attention here, not only ban some companies, this a TOTAL BAN. Do you see what they planning to do now?

"But why not trust the West, no way they are going to sanction China, right?"
Cool story buddy
 

quantumlight

Junior Member
Registered Member
To some people here who are trusting the West so much, check this article which was just published by Bloomberg

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


So you see, they are planning for TOTAL BAN on chip design tools on China. Pay attention here, not only ban some companies, this a TOTAL BAN. Do you see what they planning to do now?

"But why not trust the West, no way they are going to sanction China, right?"
Cool story buddy
Mark my words, a total chip ban and full blanket embargo, and total semiconductor supply chain including software tools are coming within 6 months to a year ...

China is in big trouble, mostly due to how naive it was and continues to be
 
Last edited:

voyager1

Captain
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

More than 100 MPs and peers have urged Boris Johnson to impose sanctions on Chinese officials who led a crackdown on Hong Kong pro-democracy campaigners.
MPs will vote next week on a motion declaring genocide is taking place in Xinjiang.
"Trust the UK, they will never sanction China, they will eventually get over HK"
 

SpicySichuan

Senior Member
Registered Member
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



"Trust the UK, they will never sanction China, they will eventually get over HK"
I am interested to see if Paris and Berlin will eventually adopt similar sanctions on HK (much broader than current ones) and semiconductors. If these two EU powers align with Five Eyes plus Japan, Biden could 60-70% realize his uniting allies from a position of strength approach to China.
 

voyager1

Captain
Registered Member
I am interested to see if Paris and Berlin will eventually adopt similar sanctions on HK (much broader than current ones) and semiconductors. If these two EU powers align with Five Eyes plus Japan, Biden could 60-70% realize his uniting allies from a position of strength approach to China.
Regarding Semiconductors:
It is already happening, there was a previous post on this thread a couple days ago that the US via the "Semiconductor Alliance" had secured Germany(EU), Japan, Taiwan (not sure on that but it should be included). S.Korea was invited but it seems they haven't responded yet.

So as you can see, the wheels have been set on motion and they will try to find a common ground.

I am expecting that at the very minimum they will agree on export controls on advanced IC equipment. Now that was minimum, they might also agree on additional measures, such ban on Chinese investment in their IC equipment companies, maybe restrictions on research regarding semiconductors, or restrictions on technology transfer regarding related technologies to IC etc.

There is a huge scope for the US here to utilise this organisation to restrict China as much as possible.

On HK, not sure.
On Xinjiang, definetely. The end goal here is to ban ALL exports originating from Xinjiang. There other measures that can be taken but that would be a long list for me to write down..
 

BoraTas

Captain
Registered Member
On Xinjiang, definetely. The end goal here is to ban ALL exports originating from Xinjiang. There other measures that can be taken but that would be a long list for me to write down..
LOL. How the h*ll they can enforce that? China bypassed a lot of US sanctions by stamping "Made in Hong Kong" on them. And the Hong Kongese economy is independent with its own currency and central bank. They need to ban imports from China, which none of them can dare.
 

horse

Colonel
Registered Member
This article probably been posted here before.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!


The most important part is this part.


However, Shen said that the chances of success for such a US-Japan alliance are low, as different countries have varying interests.

"The semiconductor industry requires huge input in R&D. It then needs a huge market to gain economies of scale," Shen noted.

Shen said it would be hard for companies to give up the Chinese market in four years, or the term of the Biden administration, if the US government does not forcibly apply non-market measures such as a downright ban on chip exports.



Does not matter how many bans are put into place, reality is the middle paragraph.

Do not argue with reality, because reality will win. Always.

If there is a ban, then so what. China probably has self-sufficiency at the 28mn or higher, which is the majority of chips, and going to 14nm and 7nm mass production.

If 7nm or 5nm is banned from China, guess there will only be Samsung making cell phones in the world for the time being.

--------- --------- ---------

Here is the point the Liberal media never talks, because they do not know.

With this type of market disruption, that is an micro-economic question.

It is just like a tariff. Briefly, the government imposing a tariff, will create winners and losers, in any industry.

If there is a worldwide effort to ban IC from China, such as using 1000% export tax for instance, then who are the winners and loser?

TSMC or Samsung? Are they gonna feel like winners?

:oops:

In times like these, you play it cool and play along.

See what breaks.

:cool:
 

quantumlight

Junior Member
Registered Member
said it would be hard for companies to give up the Chinese market in four years, or the term of the Biden administration, if the US government does not forcibly apply non-market measures such as a downright ban on chip exports
May 15th 2021
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top