ARM getting bought by Nvidia
Chinese semiconductor industry
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The deal is still under regulatory reviews in EU, UK and China, and might not be approved by any of them.
doesn't matter. ARM is based in UK, and it is owned by the Japanese Softbank
Do you really trust the UK and the Japanese so much that you willing to power the whole tech stack in China with ARM?
I dont trust these countries. From now on, all IP must be domestic owned, maybe even S.Korean if S.Korea makes a deal with China
ARM HQ is in the UK but they have CPU design centers in the USA, UK, and France. They have a GPU design center for ARM Mali in Norway. All their latest CPU IP cores have been designed at their USA center at Austin, Texas. Then there is the NVIDIA buyout attempt.
It's not a matter of trust. It's a matter of self-interest. UK's commercial interest and survival instinct are not entirely aligned with US interest. That's why you see they had wobbled on Huawei. There are resistance within UK to give the green-light to the ARM acquisition. ARM emphasizes in its release of the latest generation of their chips that they don't have US contents and are not subject to US restrictions.
China should not treat the US, UK and EU as the same. And they're not. UK will get over the Hong Kong stuff and move on. They have to.
So we agree then. ARM can be easily sanctioned. China should steer clear of it.
Lmao, say what you want mate but let me translate to you what is happening.
UK = US vassal, and there are already voices inside the UK to take hostile actions (including tech sanctions) against China for HK and Xinjiang.
EU = US wields tremendous influence inside the EU. Germany alone protects China from a hostile EU. Plus the EU also wants to become the third pole in the multi-polar world order (US, CHINA, EU). So do you want to have your tech stack be a hostage to a geopolitical competitor (note that the EU has officialy called China "a systemic rival"....)?
Sorry to say, but you are very wrong on this. China will not trust foreign technology again (especially Western, from the rest of the world it might be ok)
LOL. You're getting increasingly gung-go. China is not going to fight everyone indiscriminately.
I'll rest my argument with you on this.
Who said about fighting indiscriminately? The Chinese businesses are not a hive mind
It is just that the US played its hand and now everyone is aware of it. So now they dont trust the US.
The CAI deal with EU is to ensure that the EU wont do the same thing as the US did. But as you can see there are many voices inside the EU trying to sabotage the deal. (The main benefit China gains from the deal is that EU will ensure that its market remains open for Chinese)
If the EU doesn't ratify the deal then thats basically a signal that the EU might follow the US route. The Chinese will respond by gradually phasing out EU tech.
You sure show your true colours here, by insisting that China must use ARM for its entire tech stack. No worries though because the Chinese are not stupid and know what happening
You can swear all you want that the UK, EU, and Japan will never place ARM related sanctions to China. Sorry but I dont believe that
Not an expert here, but this is truly significant.To the experts what is the significant of this breakthrough?
from CnTechPost
Loongson unveils in-house developed instruction set architecture LoongArch in historic breakthrough
April 15, 2021
Chinese chip maker Loongson Technology on Thursday its fully in-house developed instruction set architecture, Loongson Architecture, or LoongArch, marking a major milestone for the Chinese IC industry.
was previously one of the key proponents of the MIPS instruction system. The move making it the latest company to abandon MIPS after Wave Computing's move to the RISC-V camp.
Loongson commissioned LoongArch to be evaluated by a leading third-party IP evaluator. Beginning in the second quarter of 2020, the parties invested hundreds of people in an in-depth comparative analysis of LoongArch against information and tens of thousands of patents related to major international instruction systems such as ALPHA, ARM, MIPS, POWER, RISC-V, and X86.
In January 2021, the evaluation organization concluded that LoongArch has designed its own instruction system design, instruction format, instruction encoding, and addressing modes.
The LoongArch instruction system manual is significantly different from the major international instruction systems mentioned above in terms of chapter structure, instruction description structure, and instruction content presentation.
The LoongArch infrastructure has not identified any risk of infringement of Chinese patents on the above-mentioned major international instruction systems, the evaluation concluded.
The CPU instruction system is the hardware and software interface of a computer, and is the specification of the binary coding format of the software instructions executed by the CPU.
At present, the most well-known ones are the x86 instruction system based on the Wintel ecosystem and the ARM instruction system based on the Android operating system.
Both the x86 and ARM instruction systems need to be "licensed" in order to develop CPUs compatible with them, and it is possible to develop products using licensed instruction systems, but it is not possible to form an autonomous industrial ecosystem.
RISCV is a completely open source instruction system, but it comes from the University of Berkeley. Therefore, Loongson Architecture is a historical breakthrough for the Chinese IC industry.
The CPUs developed by Loongson since 2020 all support the LoongArch architecture.
Its first Loongson 3A5000 processor chip supporting LoongArch architecture has been taped out, and a complete operating system based on the new architecture is already running stably on the 3A5000 computer.
Binary translation systems from other mainstream instruction systems to LoongArch have been demonstrated on the 3A5000 computer running complex applications based on other mainstream instruction systems.
Currently, Loongson has published the LoongArch infrastructure instruction system manual on a limited basis. Upon completion of further IP evaluation, including offshore patent analysis, Loongson will release a more complete LoongArch instruction system manual on a larger scale.
This is my guess how it works.
All semiconductor chips have these instruction sets. Intel chips, Qualcomm chips, all have their instruction sets. These are also protected IP. Therefore customers who buy these American companies' chips, pay for the IP too.
These instruction sets on these chips, should be designed by those EDA tools.
However, I think it is more complicated than that. Maybe the instruction set is the base layer, and then other companies like Intel, Qualcomm, Hauwei, who design their own chips, will start adding on more stuff to it.
After they finish their design, then that design is sent to TSMC and TSMC has this rubber stamping machine that rubber stamps the billion transistors (the I/O) onto that silcone chip.
Something like that.
Okay, bottom line ...
All this means China does not need anyone else's instruction sets in the future, and that no longer Chinese companies will pay IP to foreigners who charge too much, and no Chinese company will be subjected to potential sanctions because they do not need their crap anymore. Buzz off.
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