Hell no man. I am willing to give up all the pineapples on Taiwan Island in order to rescue TSMC for China.
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Well it remains to be seen if China can overcome this one problem by 2025 (it's literally just one or two things but probably amount to as much technical difficulty as building the bomb).
I don't think you're fair labeling those corporate leaders as traitors. There are over a dozen Chinese IC companies ranging from second rate to world leading. A few that do manufacturing. The only issue is all of them as far as we know, depend on US controlled (not owned) machinery and tools. There are Chinese ones available for older stuff not even two generations (so barely a few years) old but it prevents China from manufacturing as many state of the art chips as it wants today with these recent bans. No corporate leader could have foreseen this until recent years. The fact remains that China has been working on total self reliance in semiconductors otherwise it wouldn't be able to fabricate anything.
It's only missing the absolute latest lithography equipment (and now EPA). They have considered everything they probably just didn't think it would come down this hard this quickly. That doesn't make them traitors, at worst they were naive to think the proponents of globalisation would switch so quickly and work on completely decoupling the world almost overnight. You also can't blame those leaders from depending on Japanese and Dutch machinery and Taiwanese production because those offered the best value for money especially considering China's own was behind. How could they use Chinese when it was at least a whole generation behind? A whole generation behind is still decent considering this field is more exclusive and niched than thermonuclear weapons club. It was kept niche because it's extremely hard to master all the crafts. As soon as the US sniffed out that China wanted to have everything under its own roof, they would have pounced. Fact is I suspect China's been at it for a long while already, which makes the surprises at bans sort of questionable or just very disappointing. Sometimes I wonder if many of these Chinese leaders are feigning surprise where their only real surprise is how long it took the US to finally cut their own gravy train and act. Or maybe they've been trying but their Dutch, Taiwanese, and Japanese partners were just very convincing at delaying it all.
All these sanctions on Companies like Phythium and Sunway is really a "Gift" to China's Semiconductor and EDA Industries.
These sanctions will just accelerate further the already fast development of Lithographs, Semiconductor Machinery, local EDA and spur development of alternative Chip Architecture.
Huawei(Hisilicon) used to be the sole IC Design House that was sanctioned but with more IC Designers being sanctioned, this will just result in more FABS being constructed which use 100% indigenous Machinery.
There will be a greater demand for locally made Semiconductor Machinery as Companies decide to have their ICs made in China instead of overseas.
This will also accelerate the development of Machinery that can produce more advanced Nodes like 14mm and 7nm, due to greater demand.
Overall these sanctions will only benefit the Chinese Semiconductor Industry.
Demand from Huawei and the growing numbers of these Companies will help to spur the develoment of more advanced technologies.
The losers will be the likes of TSMC and foreign equipment makers like ASML, Nikon, KLATencor etc as Chinese FABS use more local machinery.
Trump was a Moron but it now appears that Biden is Senile, so both have contributed greatly to the advancement of Chinas IC Industry.
LOL!
These sanctions will just accelerate further the already fast development of Lithographs, Semiconductor Machinery, local EDA and spur development of alternative Chip Architecture.
Huawei(Hisilicon) used to be the sole IC Design House that was sanctioned but with more IC Designers being sanctioned, this will just result in more FABS being constructed which use 100% indigenous Machinery.
There will be a greater demand for locally made Semiconductor Machinery as Companies decide to have their ICs made in China instead of overseas.
This will also accelerate the development of Machinery that can produce more advanced Nodes like 14mm and 7nm, due to greater demand.
Overall these sanctions will only benefit the Chinese Semiconductor Industry.
Demand from Huawei and the growing numbers of these Companies will help to spur the develoment of more advanced technologies.
The losers will be the likes of TSMC and foreign equipment makers like ASML, Nikon, KLATencor etc as Chinese FABS use more local machinery.
Trump was a Moron but it now appears that Biden is Senile, so both have contributed greatly to the advancement of Chinas IC Industry.
LOL!
Einstein based most of his work on discoveries other people made, he wasnt the first to come up with concept of space time, energy mass equivilence, or even relativity, he was just the most successful in repackaging it and gaining scientific celebrity status.
I dont blame Biden. Biden was given a busted hand, so what was he supposed to do?
Everyone knew that after the Trump sanctions, China would self develop its semiconductors industry. So Biden, thought that, even if i did nothing the Chinese will develop it, so better to ban them now so that they waste some years without semiconductors.
This was not a winning hand for Biden so he tried to find some benefits in all this disastrous Trump strategy
Lmao, Einstein was the most important man of a couple of centuries so far. Have a look around you, and then realise that without him 80% of your tech wouldn't even exist without him.
If you have some physics knowledge you would understand why. Einstein was so brilliant that I dont even classify him as a human. His ingenuity was so big, that to me there is more chance of him coming from aliens than being human lol
I'd take my 凤梨酥 over TSMC! TSMC was never PRC's to begin with. If it can be had somehow, it's just a bonus. It's conquerable with or without paying Taiwanese and Japanese engineers to speed up the process. It's just a matter of time and everything else being "normal". A war with Taiwan is anything but normal and would if anything, risk China's development.
Reunifying Taiwan doesn't have any effect on how well China can overcome the tiny but potent technical challenge it has in IC fab. A economically and militarily powerful PRC would not only secure its own sovereignty but actually move other smaller nations closer to it. Completing China's development is far more important than reunifying Taiwan. That comes naturally once the capstone is completed and China is undoubtedly surpassed the US and allies in regional military projection power and overall economic plus industrial power.
War with Taiwan has no bearing on any of those objectives while it only risks them even further.
China's got a problem with how it can get chips for the sale of its products and for its own uses. The ones they have and can make are quickly becoming obsolete. While this slows down China's development, it doesn't mean it should just push the f*ck it button and sail to war while risking a kinetic conflict with the US.
Achieving China's planned status and development was never going to go unnoticed or unchallenged. Why are people tripping up because the challenges are beginning to mount? If China was able to comfortably defeat the US in regional kinetic war, then sure maybe explore that but is that the case? Not getting access to the state of the art isn't some existential threat to China enough to risk war.
Thats like saying America wouldnt exists without Mayflower or Christoper Columbus ... if it wasnt him it would have been someone else...
Einstein was only into theortical thought experiements, zero application. In fact they didnt even include him in the atomic projects but Israel offered him honorable President role offer... he was more PR than anything, more of a Bill Nye than real Tesla
His wife also helped him with a lot of his work but didnt recieved the credit
All the maths he relied on to publish general and special relativity was already discovered and published by other people
He dabbled in the realm of the low hanging fruit... any kid who sat down and thought hard enough could have reasoned if light speed must always be constant regardless of observer then it must be space and time itself that shifts to accomodate a constant c in all frames of reference... that was the core of all his work in truth... it was his claim to fame
Einstein himself stated imagination for him was more important than intelligence and upon his death they dissected his brain and found nothing all that uniquely different about him
This aint 1905 anymore, China could have a thousand Einsteins as Einstein really was, and it would do nothing to boost Chinese EUV efforts or semiconductor advancements.
Are you and Voyager1 the same person... cause yall both seem to describe Einstein as "not even human" in the exact same way
Believe it or not most large Semiconductor Machinery makers in the USA like LAM, KLA Tencor etc was started by Ethnic Chinese Americans.
The Issue with Chinese Semiconductor Industry was that many local FABS in the past used to believe in Globalisation of the Supply Chain and they also have a bias that Western Machinery was somehow superior to local Machinery. Thats why local Machinery manufacturers werent given a fair go.
These sanctions have snapped them out of their illusions/delusions and show how unreliable overseas suppliers are.
These Sanctions are the best thing to have happened to the Chinese Semiconductor Industry.
The Issue with Chinese Semiconductor Industry was that many local FABS in the past used to believe in Globalisation of the Supply Chain and they also have a bias that Western Machinery was somehow superior to local Machinery. Thats why local Machinery manufacturers werent given a fair go.
These sanctions have snapped them out of their illusions/delusions and show how unreliable overseas suppliers are.
These Sanctions are the best thing to have happened to the Chinese Semiconductor Industry.
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