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foofy

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For that to work, Huawei, as the one who suffers damage, has to initiate the lawsuit.

But it's not doing it. Even thought law came out, theres nothing happen.

TSMC has very long relationship with Huawei. Yet it stopped supplying Huawei.

There are many others still stop supplying Huawei and nothing happen to them under this Chinese law.

If Huawei not willing to do anything, then this law is rather useless.

If Huawei doesn't come out to challenge SMIC , SMIC probably will tell Huawei it's waiting for US approval. Still waiting would be the excuse.
because huawei haven’t finished the reserve
 

ansy1968

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So SMIC N+2 7nm is crucial, their 14nm can't hack it since Kirin 710 used TSMC 12nm processes. :(

from CnTechPost

HarmonyOS upgrade may only support phones with Kirin 710 or newer chips​

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March 16, 2021
Chinese tech giant Huawei's new system HarmonyOS's upgrade may only support phones with Kirin 710 or newer chips, according to a well-known digital blogger on Weibo.
This means that the upgrade will be pushed to Huawei and Honor phones with Kirin 810, Kirin 820, Kirin 820E, Kirin 980, Kirin 990, Kirin 985, and Kirin 9000 chips, according to the blogger "@长安数码君".
The above-mentioned upgraded phones are only a tentative list and may be changed later, according to the blogger.
Huawei announced at the recent foldable-screen phone Mate X2's launch that it will push HarmonyOS upgrades for Huawei's flagship models from April this year.
In 2021, the HarmonyOS system will cover 200 million Huawei cell phone products, according to Wang Chenglu, president of Huawei's Consumer BG Software Department, in a press interview, adding that more than 90% of Huawei models currently on the market will be upgraded with the HarmonyOS system.

Huawei released HarmonyOS, a distributed operating system for all scenarios, in August 2019 and put it into use on the Huawei Smart Screen.
In September 2020, Huawei released HarmonyOS 2.0, a new version with comprehensive upgrades in the three core capabilities of distributed soft-bus, distributed data management, and distributed security.
HarmonyOS upgrade may only support phones with Kirin 710 or newer chips-CnTechPost
 

gelgoog

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The only thing which can solve Huawei's problems is someone making a sanction proof production facility.
Given that they have the capital they shouldn't wait for someone else to solve it for them.
 

ansy1968

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The only thing which can solve Huawei's problems is someone making a sanction proof production facility.
Given that they have the capital they shouldn't wait for someone else to solve it for them.
@gelgoog hear you bro, the decision to form a consortium of Chinese Science academy, private sector and equipment manufacturer is a good step forward.
 

Oldschool

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Cetc production of lithography equipmnent in 2021 is 20 including 2 machines for 65nm and rest of 18 for 0.13um, 0.35um. 65nm probably for logic, but majority of them are for power semiconductor such as IGBT , bipolar technology for power management.

That's guarantee for China industrial control, appliances and military control.

China still can compete with US even without high end semiconductor.

Silan would be prime candidate for cetc lithography.

士兰微电子累计有5000万只的智能功率模块应用到下游各类家电及工业客户的变频产品上,包括空调、冰箱、洗衣机,油烟机、吊扇、家用风扇、工业风扇、水泵、电梯门机、缝纫机、电动工具,工业变频器等,打破了国际大厂在该领域的长期垄断。

Silan Microelectronics has accumulated 50 million intelligent power modules applied to various downstream home appliances and inverter products of industrial customers, including air conditioners, refrigerators, washing machines, range hoods, ceiling fans, household fans, industrial fans, water pumps, elevator door machines , Sewing machines, power tools, industrial frequency converters, etc., have broken the long-term monopoly of major international manufacturers in this field.
 

Oldschool

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Mastery of full low and middle ended semiconductor technology can out compete against the more advanced west if greater strategic projects able to accomplished.

1)establishment of moon base and helium3 extraction plant in the moon.
That enable full energy independence.
Building nuclear powered space ships that can venture deep into space and using the moon as the launching station.
This type of project required alot power semiconductor and micontroller but they must be radiation hardened. They have no use for those latest 5nm/7nm chips

2) establishing the biggest scale of high-tech farming , fishing and livestock raising on earth.

3)establishing the largest production base of EV vehicles which required tons of chips but most low, and middle ended.

Expand the mental horizon and not limited one to the rat race of building latest cellphone chips for the mass on earth.
 
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voyager1

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Mastery of full low and middle ended semiconductor technology can out compete against the more advanced west if greater strategic projects able to accomplished.

1)establishment of moon base and helium3 extraction plant in the moon.
That enable full energy independence.
Building nuclear powered space ships that can venture deep into space and using the moon as the launching station.
This type of project required alot power semiconductor and micontroller but they must be radiation hardened. They have no use for those latest 5nm/7nm chips

Expand the mental horizon and not limited one to the rat race of building latest cellphone chips for the mass on earth.
All this is handled by SpaceX and that it seems they are making progress with their Starship program. Expect that when that is completed the US gov and Us mil will start throwing trucks full of money outside Elon house to start doing all these things.

And there is one thing that China Militarybshould fear from Starship. That is if the US Military contract SpaceX to accomplish theirs Rods of God program. If they can do the Rods of God program then thats game over for China
 
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