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The question I posted is which one is currently operational. Ansys listed the 4.
SMIC Beijing got delayed due to not able to procure equipments. SMIC Tianjin just initiated and still in building phase.
Shenzhen one already operational and Lingang shanghai about to start according to digitimes.

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Which post previously spelled the oeprational status of the 4?

I have not read any news that the beijing one and tianjin one being operational end of 2023 or beginning of 2024.

I don't think i am wrong though.

Beijing is definitely operational.

if you bothered searching through this thread, you'd see my summary here from Q3 earnings call

and Q2 earnings call

I don't mind if most people don't sit through hour long earning call clips and listen through all the questions. But when I post the summary here, have some respect and read them. Rather than thinking you know better
 

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Ok. Don't need to act like a half-wit retard that is lacking temperment. I visit these forums only once in every few months, so I don't know the specifics. It would serve you well if you start behaving like a mature human being

This is an actively moderated thread with expectations that people will put effort into reading other people's posts. If you have nothing to offer, then please read up the thread for answers rather than clog up this thread with low quality posting. I will be deleting your posts
 

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Dylan Patel says that CXMT will have 7 billion dollars of equipment spending in 2024, with 3.8 billion of that going to American tool firms including $1.8 billion goes to AMAT.

He also expect CXMT HBM 3E for AI to ship in mid-2025

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CXMT 3D DRAM Blatant Sanctions Violation


Memory is one the most important scaling vectors for achieving civilization redefining AI technologies, and China is investing heavily in leapfrogging the rest of the world with these technologies and has already started implementing LLMs for propaganda / electoral subversion as well as within the PLA.

Much like with how
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as Gina Raimondo, was in China, CXMT also
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by candidly announcing their violation U.S. export controls at IEDM in San Francisco. CXMT presented their Gate-All-Around Vertical Transistors manufactured at the 18nm half pitch.

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CXMT vertical channel transistors at 18nm pitch, below export control limits

CXMT violated two different portions of the US export controls. US tools can not be shipped to firms that fabricate 18nm half pitch DRAM devices. US tools cannot be shipped to firms that fabricate gate all around transistors. CXMT has done both of these simultaneously in a functional device. With the way the law is written, American tool makers such as Applied Materials, Lam Research, KLA, and Onto can now no longer ship tools to the facility at which CXMT fabricated these devices. While the device above is production for research purposes with mass volume coming later, the regulations do not discount it. CXMT only has 1 fab site currently.

Our wafer fabrication equipment model and supply chain sources point to CXMT having 7 billion dollars of equipment spending for DRAM production next year, with 3.8 billion of that going to American tool firms and Applied Materials as the largest contributor at $1.8 billion of shipments to CXMT in 2024. This spend is higher than Micron for DRAM because of the recent $5B injection into CXMT’s government backed joint venture, Changxin Xinqiao, from federal and local governments.

While CXMT is still a few years behind on process technology for high volume production DRAM, they are
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. We also expect their HBM 3E for AI to ship in mid-2025.

Enforcement of these rulings
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, but with the way the regulations are currently written, CXMT has said that all US tool firms are in violation by continuing to ship to CXMT. This is why it is surprising that they admitted to doing so in public. To be clear, it is not shocking that they were able to exceed the limits. We even called out CXMT specifically in our piece on the
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who cares what he has to say. It shouldn't surprise anyone that CXMT 17 is under 18nm pitch

They are working on D1z right now in the fab that doesn't use new American equipment
 

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Beijing is definitely operational.

if you bothered searching through this thread, you'd see my summary here from Q3 earnings call

and Q2 earnings call

I don't mind if most people don't sit through hour long earning call clips and listen through all the questions. But when I post the summary here, have some respect and read them. Rather than thinking you know better
Here's the statement from earning call, Most 12-inch capacity increases is in 40/55nm at Jingcheng/Shenzhen
Are we doing logic deduction from that?


US and Taiwan media watching Huawei and SMIC like hawks. If they indeed operational, I would assume the news got to pop up somewhere. US government already have the tariffs ready to tackle China mature chips. They are being watch very closely.

40/55nm is big difference,. one is immersion and another is dry.

I read from thread Beijing SMIC wants non-US line. ASML and rest are supposedly domestic.

If they are operational, that's big news. That's why I kept asking, to see if others see anything that I haven't seen,
 

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Here's the statement from earning call, Most 12-inch capacity increases is in 40/55nm at Jingcheng/Shenzhen
Are we doing logic deduction from that?


US and Taiwan media watching Huawei and SMIC like hawks. If they indeed operational, I would assume the news got to pop up somewhere. US government already have the tariffs ready to tackle China mature chips. They are being watch very closely.

40/55nm is big difference,. one is immersion and another is dry.

I read from thread Beijing SMIC wants non-US line. ASML and rest are supposedly domestic.

If they are operational, that's big news. That's why I kept asking, to see if others see anything that I haven't seen,

Stop wasting my time and other people's time on this forum. These are all things that SMIC said in its earnings call. As such, they are official statements.

Since you have not respected this thread, you are not allowed to post here for a week. Anything you post here will be deleted during that time.
 

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New Fabs planned.
Which one is being realized and operational now comparing to the chart? SMIC 28nm at liangang operational.
Thanks for showing one of my Tables. Here's a new release I just published on how ASML took over the #1 spot from AMAT. This is the first time I'm sending under Substack instead of Seeking Alpha.
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If they indeed operational, I would assume the news got to pop up somewhere. US government already have the tariffs ready to tackle China mature chips
There is just a little tiny problem, most of China mature capacity is consumed inside China, mature process companies like TI, Microchip and AD that sell their chips inside China could find their products in pretty bad position unless they decided to take advantage of China fabbing capacity to reduce their cost. The chips that made it outside China are used in manufactured products like cars, TVs, Smartphones and so on, the US could put tariff on those, that would probably add a few cents to cost of the final product given that these ICs cost a few cents each but would not have the huge impact the US politicians think that they will have. Also the US is not the biggest consumer of electronics China and the rest World is and a lot of countries are not willing to introduce inflation to their countries just because US politicians want to and less for a issue that they don't even understand.​
 

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China uses 22nm to create 256 core chips! Target 1600 cores

This chip is named "Zhejiang" and adopts the chiplet core layout that has been popular in recent years. It is divided into 16 cores. Each core has 16 RISC-V architecture cores, totaling 256 cores, all of which support programmability. , reconfigurable. Different cores are interconnected through Network Chip (Netwokr-on-Chip) and Synchronous Multiprocessor (SMP), while different cores are interconnected through D2D (Die-to-Die) interface and Inter-chiplet. Network) interconnection, and then jointly connect the memory, and use 2.5D interposer packaging.

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