Chinese semiconductor industry

tphuang said:

absolutely not

You mean Kunpeng CPUs? Hisilicon KunPeng-920 was launched 4 and half years ago.
And yes, they are launching new Kunpeng and Ascend chips soon
Nothing secretive or unexpected now that we've seen what SMIC is capable of

Actually, it most likely uses NXT 2050i and/or 2100i as part of process that also uses 1980i.

When are you going to finally give SMIC some respect after spending years hailing Huawei as the driving force for everything?


Empyrean said earlier this year they fully cover 7nm EDA & it even covers some 5nm node. I don't know why people keep on giving HW credit for everything.

It's truly disrespectful to everyone else hard at work in Chinese IC industry.

Interesting thing that you noted on SRAM, since the L2 cache size on 9000s appears quite small SLC compared to something like A15. This appears to be something HW & SMIC can work together to improve on 9100

I wonder when people will finally come out with actual #s for transistor density because it looks truly impressive to me. Reaching something like 130-140mtr/mm2 seems quite possible before hitting ceiling with NXT 2100i

I truly did not expect Huawei to be able to put out such a full featured SoC in such a small real estate in 9000S

The ground is set for a lot of improvement in areas like GPU, NPU and SRAM. Even CPU itself can continue to be improved at higher frequency level for lower power consumption.

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mrandolph said:

How does techinsights know that Huawei is using SMIC?

To me it makes perfect sense for Huawei to have ownership over their fabs. They are big enough and SMIC risks losing their existing US customers and suppliers by being associated directly with Huawei.

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pbd456 said:

i am more curious if the production line is fully de-Americanized. SMIC has a lot of Applied materials and Lam research equipment, it would be a huge deal if it can be produced without using US equipment.

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sunnymaxi said:

recently AMEC CEO announced. we literally went 0 percent to 75 percent in ICP and replaced Lam in Mainland. it mean SMIC extensively using AMEC tools.

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pbd456 said:

It is not clear of the equipments are good enough to support a good yield on advanced processes.

There are always bit and piece suggesting that Chinese equipments don't generate a good yield that comparable equipments by US.

In particular, are they advanced enough to even support 7nm?

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huemens said:

Looks like TechInsights have already given some info to Bloomberg.

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measuredingabens said:

AMEC has been making leading-edge equipment for a while now. There's been reports that its equipment have been used in TSMC's 5nm process since 2018. The quality has been there for a quite a long time.

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pbd456 said:

It is not clear of the equipments are good enough to support a good yield on advanced processes.

There are always bit and piece suggesting that Chinese equipments don't generate a good yield that comparable equipments by US.

In particular, are they advanced enough to even support 7nm?

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Phead128 said:

I want White man's B.E.M. (BIG Electron Microscope) so badly, but instead I am stuck with S.D.F. (Same Detailed Findings).

SDF Forums already told us Kirin 9000s is most likely fabbed by 7nm N+2 process at SMIC, no need for third-party validation by foreign companies. We already knew.

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