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horse

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There is one point that everyone reading this thread should be clear about.

The Huawei Mate 60 Pro is a 5G capable phone.

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That is the speed differences between 4G networks and 5G networks.

Look at the screen shots of the speed tests. There is no doubt, there is no debate. Unless everyone is faking it.

:cool:

Huawei should send a badge and a phone to Comrade Chang to mark the moment.

Why not.

Every dignitary who visits Beijing should be given a Huawei 5G phone.

:oops::D
 

horse

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There is one point that everyone reading this thread should be clear about.

The Huawei Mate 60 Pro is a 5G capable phone.

Not only is this Huawei Mate 60 Pro a 5G phone, it is the first cell phone in the world to be able to make direct satellite calls.

Also, they even replaced the glass, because it used to be Corning that American glass company, now they replaced everything inside that was American before except for a couple of smaller chips, but they kept using the Corning glass, but now those smaller Americans chips had to be replaced because they were banned, and now they even replaced the American glass with Chinese glass.

It is like the old days of communist. If someone did something bad, the party would erase all memories or existence of that bad person.

Huawei even got rid of the glass!

:oops:
 

ansy1968

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Not only is this Huawei Mate 60 Pro a 5G phone, it is the first cell phone in the world to be able to make direct satellite calls.

Also, they even replaced the glass, because it used to be Corning that American glass company,

It is like the old days of communist. If someone did something bad, the party would erase all memories or existence of that bad person.

Huawei even got rid of the glass!

:oops:
Cheers bro!!!!! I want my Moet & Chandon served cold.;)
 

ansy1968

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3nm Huawei Mate 90
Special Taiwanese Reunification Edition
I think we won't wait that long and see it on Mate70 series instead. @tphuang posted that N+1 is 7nm, then N+2 will be a 5nm chip. NXT 2050i can produce it using multiple exposure. Liang Mong Song announced their development strategy during his emotional resignation letter. As the info on Mate 60 is being leak, its capability had the same performance level of a 5nm chip, IF it walk like a duck and quack like a dick then its a 5nm duck....lol

The following is the full text of Liang Mengsong's resignation:
Letter to the Board of Directors
Hello, chairman and directors!
I know that we will make a very important personnel appointment decision at this meeting today.
Currently,
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is facing various pressures from the United States, leading to serious threats to the development of advanced technology. I believe that today's personnel proposal will inevitably affect the company's prospects.
It has been more than three years since I was appointed as the co-CEO by the board of directors in November 2017. In these more than 1,000 days, I almost never took a vacation. Even in June 2019, when I was experiencing life At the most dangerous moment, I never gave up, and I never let you down.
During this period, I tried my best to complete five generations of technology development from 28nm to 7nm. This is a task that an average company takes more than ten years to accomplish. And these results are obtained by more than 2,000 engineers led by me, working hard day and night. Of course, the trust and support of the chairman and the directors in the past is also a key element of success.
I originally came to mainland China not to seek high-ranking officials, but simply to contribute to the mainland's high-end integrated circuits. At present, 28nm, 14nm, 12nm, and n+1 technologies have all entered mass production, and the development of 7nm technology has also been completed. Risk mass production will be available in April next year. The 8 most critical and most difficult technologies of 5nm and 3nm have also been carried out in an orderly manner. Only when the EUV lithography machine arrives, we can enter the full development stage.
It seems that my short-term goal seems to have exceeded expectations and was successfully achieved.
I received a call from the chairman of the board on December 9th, last Wednesday morning: Mr. Jiang is about to become the vice chairman of the company. I was very surprised and puzzled about this, because I didn't know anything about it beforehand. I deeply feel that I am no longer respected and distrusted. I think you should no longer need me here to continue to work hard for the company's prospects. I can rest for a while.
After the company’s board of directors and shareholders’ meeting have approved Mr. Jiang’s nomination, I will formally submit my resignation. But the company should give a comprehensive and fair evaluation of my contribution over the past three years, and I should have the right to accept and appeal.
I solemnly tell you that I do not have the slightest intention to influence your next vote on this personnel appointment, but I think I should let everyone know my true feelings.My statement hopes that Ms. Guo Guangli, secretary of the board of directors, can be included in the official meeting minutes of this interim board of directors.
Thank you all.
 

Michael90

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I'm guessing there is a long line of queue that want to apply after being laid off from Intel and other FAB.
After reading the article it doesnt seems like its the case. I think its because many overseas Chinese who are educated/studied and lived in the West( mainly the US) and who have US citizenship or permanent stay are scared to be investigated by the US or even lose their citizenship/legal stay in the U.S/West and all the advantages that comes with it. Since US law now forbid any US citizenship or individual with US permanent residence from working with Chinas science/tech and semi conductor industry else they might lose their privilèges. Many will love to help their country of origin or even enjoy the high pay/benefits but not to the detriment of their US passport/legal status its seems.
China will need more than the thousand talents programs to make these people choose China over the U.S/West and stay in the country permanently
 

Michael90

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The sole purpose of building chips plants in the US, EU and Japan is to rob Taiwan of semiconductor industry. I don't know why anyone in Taiwan is naive enough to think without a strong ecosystem that Taiwan domination in semiconductor can continue.
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To be fair, as a small island country under Chinas shadow, Taiwan has little room to manoeuvre between two big powers like China and the US. So they need continued US protection to be able to keep their independence and balance China's influence and hold over the country. That's what small countries around the world have to do to survive. They have little choice than to give up some advantages/sovereign rights to one bigger power over losing all of it altogether towards another.
I don't support any of this though. Just making an observation from a neutral perspective
 

Michael90

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Wow if this true China reach a milestone and effectively break the embargo They can say stuff it to ASML

SMEE DUV machine will be ready for active operation by next year?
This is another WuHan HongXin like case,where local gov got scammed by a group of conman. I'm afraid there will more similar cases in the future

What's worse is that,it is not the first time JiangSu HuaiAn local gov got scammed,in 2020 DeKeMa Semiconductor fab bankrupt,and the company was also a fraud from the beginning

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Think the country needs a real independent body(filled with accountants,scientists, semi conductor professionals etc) to oversea such big projects and avoid corruption and scams since alot of money is being wasted (billions of dollars) in such scams and many more will be if things continues this way.
 

ansy1968

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SMEE DUV machine will be ready for active operation by next year?
Bro there are at least 10 -12 prototype units produced last year, distributed among SMIC, HUAHONG, ICRD, YMTC, CXMT and even Huawei for testing, evaluation and verification. This year it will be mass produced as major component provider had finished their expansion plan and are ready. When a major Chinese state media outlet published a report on its progress you know that unit is being delivered and in used.

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Aug 2, 2023 — China, reportedly, will launch its first 28-nanometer homegrown lithography machine at the year-end, representing a great leapfrog for the ...


Chinese firm expected to deliver 28nm chip machine at year-end: media report​

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China, reportedly, will launch its first 28-nanometer homegrown lithography machine at the year-end, representing a great leapfrog for the nation's chip industry after years of US-led suppression and containment.

According to the Securities Daily, Shanghai Micro Electronics Equipment Group (SMEE) has been committed to developing a 28-nm immersion lithography machine, and it's expected the first domestically produced SSA/800-10W lithography machine will be delivered to the market by the end of 2023.

It will be a major breakthrough for the industry and homegrown chips are to be produced that meet the requirements of commonly used devices, Zhang Hong, a Beijing-based semiconductor industry analyst, told the Global Times on Tuesday.

SMEE didn't respond to the Global Times' interview request as of press time on Tuesday.

Founded in 2002, SMEE is one of China's leading lithography machine makers and accounts for about 80 percent of the domestic market, industry sources said. Reuters described the company as China's only potential competitor to the Netherlands' world-leading lithography machine maker ASML.

SMEE's website noted that it has developed machines capable of manufacturing chips at the 90-nm node standard - a technology that is suitable for producing low-end chips.

He Rongming, vice chairman of SMEE, said that in 2002 when Chinese experts went abroad for inspections, some foreign engineers said: "Even if we gave you all the blueprints, you might not be able to produce a lithography machine," according to the Securities Daily report.

After returning to China, He led the team in five years of research and development, and the team achieved a major breakthrough in the crucial exposure process.

The reported achievement comes at a critical time when the US has persuaded its allies, including Japan and the Netherlands, to join in its effort to contain China's tech sector growth, though it means considerable economic losses for companies in the two countries.

Japan announced in late March a draft revision to a ministry ordinance on its Foreign Exchange and Foreign Trade Act, adding 23 chip-manufacturing items that would require government approval to be exported. The rule took effect on July 23.

The Dutch government announced a ministerial order in early July to restrict exports of certain advanced semiconductor equipment. The export controls will come into effect on September 1.

To cope with the US-led suppression, Chinese companies are forced to make their own tools in a bid to avoid being squeezed by the US, an industry player told the Global Times on condition of anonymity on Tuesday.

Moreover, as most companies are increasingly inclined to adopt domestic products, a virtuous cycle in the industry has been formed, according to the person.

For instance, an imported chip costs 20 yuan ($2.8), while the domestic replacement costs up to 200 yuan. Even the higher price doesn't deter Chinese companies which prefer using homegrown chips to mitigate market risks. As the demand for homegrown chips rises significantly, their prices will fall and their performances will improve over time, fostering a positive feedback loop.

The source said that key companies in the industry will lead the domestic substitution efforts, and offer technology support to their customers.

"The progress of domestic substitution, which has been going on for about four years, went much faster than we anticipated," the person said.

On November 15, 2022, the National Intellectual Property Administration disclosed Huawei's ground-breaking new patent titled "Reflective Mirror, Lithography Apparatus, and Control Method", representing a significant advancement in the core technology of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) lithography machines.

The second phase of the National Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund Co, also known as the "Big Fund II," has invested heavily in China's semiconductor manufacturing, equipment and related materials and software development.

"But technology evolution needs years of consistent research and development, and we need to be patient and firm," Zhang Hong said.

Zhang also pointed out that chip production is not something that one country can do all on its own, and China should seek cooperation with those who advocate for globalization.

The most advanced EUV lithography machine has more than 450,000 components, exceeding the number of parts in an F1 racing car by more than 20 times, according to the Securities Daily.

Even ASML which holds a dominant position in the world's EUV lithography machine manufacturing, makes only 15 percent of the total components. The rest must be sourced from the global supply chain
 
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