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Wahid145

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I am not sure why so much of the thread is on Chinese EUV. Isn't it more important to have ArF and ArFi lithograpy first then slowly work on EUVL? I'm more interested into how much Naura and Piotech ate up AMAT share then these EUV stuff honestly.
 

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I am not sure why so much of the thread is on Chinese EUV. Isn't it more important to have ArF and ArFi lithograpy first then slowly work on EUVL? I'm more interested into how much Naura and Piotech ate up AMAT share then these EUV stuff honestly.
Dry DUV and ArFi is being develop by mostly Chinese companies and some Chinese research institutions, making the sub-systems-parts and integration.
EUV is not yet fully commercialized so most of the research comes from Chinese institutions with some companies developing some subsystems.
 

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I am not sure why so much of the thread is on Chinese EUV. Isn't it more important to have ArF and ArFi lithograpy first then slowly work on EUVL? I'm more interested into how much Naura and Piotech ate up AMAT share then these EUV stuff honestly.
ArF has little to do with EUV though because almost everything changes from DUV to EUV: not just light source, but the wafer exposure chamber, mask, optics, developer, resist, etc. Its a paradigm shift, which is why it took ASML 20+ years to do it. First EUV lithography papers were published in the 1990's and many of the development directions were set in stone at or right after that time.

The papers that Chinese institutions published 10-15 years ago, are the basis of mature technologies that are going into Chinese equipment today.
 

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I have my doubts about SSMB EUV. It's already hard enough to work with ASML EUV, it's the size of a truck, needs a team of PHD to operate and service it and needs a cargo plane to transport. Now imagine your EUV is dependent on a particle accelerator with a circumference of more than a hundred meters. Just a single section of that thing fails and your entire fab stops, maintenance work has to be immense.

It's going to be impossible to transport or export. You're going to have to assemble the particle accelerator on site and then build the fab on top of it. You can't assemble the entire thing in one centralized factory and ship it out. It's still going to need most the insanely difficult EUV competents an ultra-high vacuum, nanometre precise mirrors and focusing systems, ultra high precision laser interferometer etc etc. But add an particle accelerator on top of that. The money, maintenance and manpower is going to be immense.

Is the higher power EUV beam and lack of tin droplets going to be worth it?
It is not designed to be for export. In SSMB production of IC chips, essentially the entire building is required to produce the chips.

Just imagine it like a factory designed to make one or a variety of different products, but all the equipment within the factory is integrated as components of a single much larger equipment and every single components piece must be in place for that for that factory to produce the product or products that it is designed to produce and if one piece is missing, it cannot function. In some ways it is similar to having an electric power station, but one designed for particle acceleration and to produce EUV and X-ray radiation from particle beams that can be utilized to produce the most complex of IC chips as well.

"It's still going to need most the insanely difficult EUV competents an ultra-high vacuum, nanometre precise mirrors and focusing systems, ultra high precision laser interferometer etc etc. But add an particle accelerator on top of that. The money, maintenance and manpower is going to be immense."

Whether it is or will be as complex as you describe and I and others imagine that you make it sound here is debatable. I believe that China might also be looking at it in the long term. China is and will in the long term future produce a much larger number of highly skilled and qualified personnel capable of running particle accelerators and producing IC chips using particle accelerators and for the purpose of mass producing highly advanced chips on a commodities purpose basis. Yes. Even the most highly advanced chips are already being regarded as vital commodities closely on par with energy, mineral, and food resources that must be secured against highly adversarial and even potentially hostile state actors and coalitions of such, one of which is demonstrating out of its own initiative and volition to be that to China.
 

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Zhao Weiguo, the former chairman of Ziguang Group Co., Ltd., was transferred to the procuratorate for examination and prosecution on suspicion of duty crimes.

Source | Website of the National Supervisory Commission of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection 2023-03-20 15:00

News from the website of the National Supervisory Commission of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection A few days ago, the National Supervisory Commission filed an investigation into Zhao Weiguo, the former chairman of Ziguang Group Co., Ltd., on suspicion of duty crimes.

After investigation, as a manager of a state-owned enterprise, Zhao Weiguo is greedy and reckless. He abandons his duties and mission. He uses the public for private use and turns the public into private. He regards the state-owned enterprises he manages as a private territory. He deliberately seizes state-owned assets and skillfully, and illegally handed over the profitable business of his unit to The price purchases goods from the units operated and managed by relatives and friends, and instructed the directors of the listed company to carry out acts that harm the interests of the listed company, resulting in particularly heavy losses to the interests of the state.

Zhao Weiguo is suspected of embezzlement, illegal profit-making for relatives and friends, and treachery to damage the interests of listed companies. He did not restrain or give up after the 18th National Congress of the Communist Party of China. It is serious in nature and has a bad impact, and should be seriously dealt with. According to the relevant provisions of the Supervision Law of the People's Republic of China, the State Supervision Commission transferred its suspected crime to the procuratorial organs for examination and prosecution according to law, and the property involved was transferred together.

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