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My Chinese is not the best, but if you look at this link @PopularScience posted
A-Set has posted a couple of LPP light source photos. The first one is CO2 based and is 400W with 40kHz frequency
second one is said to be
I don't have any background to explain fiber laser source vs CO2, but it says somethings about 500 to 1000 group of 400W laser.
500w is just listed in Havok's picture. Maybe whoever is responsible for light source has improved it since then.
That's not saying much that considering that this isn't going to be an ordinary particle accelerator. SSMB is a new way of producing light that isn't like your typical synchrotron light source. It's like saying that the handheld electron gun in your CRT TV is the same as the LHC in terms of cost and complexity. It's like saying that lasers were made with 1950s tech, so a EUV laser should be difficult to build right? If SSMB was so easy, China would have built it already, instead it's still very much in the R&D phase.
Hell it's mentioned that it's hard to even test the concept on existing synchrotrons because most synchrotrons aren't configured to allow SSMB.
Leading edge nodes are already expensive as fuck and not all too economical because of it. SMIC can already produce 7nm and 5nm chips with DUV, it's not economical compared to EUV due to the multi-patterning needed and low yield issues. If costs weren't an issue, they would just buy hundreds of 2050i, build dozens of new fabs and flood the market with 7nm and 5nm chips. No need for EUV.
Is SSMB going to be viable if it cost 800 million to build instead of 150 million for ASML EUV? Or if it needs round the clock maintenance and a team of PHDs to keep it running? Anyway, it might not be for export, but transportation is still important to keep costs down, since you can build and assemble the machines in an factory, dozens of them at the same time, and ship it to an existing fab once it's done. With SSMB, looks like you're gonna to need to build the machine first on site than build a new fab around this machine instead.
And Lol at saying that because it's bigger doesn't means it's harder. So the LHC is the same complexity as a handheld particle accelerator is it? A future particle accelerator that's hundreds of kilometers in circumference isn't going to be more complex than the LHC? Anyway, it's an new idea, SSMB doesn't work like normal synchrotrons or FELs. It's an new method of generating light will need a specially built synchrotron for it to work from the sounds of things.
Where did you get this number? SSMB is still very much in the R&D phase, there's no way you're gonna get a cost estimate this early.
That cost estimate is for the free electron laser, an already mature technology. For the SSMB, all he says that it's a new tech and it needs more R&D. New tech almost always cost more.
I'm not saying that it won't work, I'm saying that it's going to be freaking expensive. Just needing to build a brand new fab to accommodate it is going to be a deal-breaker.
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Bro can we use SSRF as a guide?
from Wikipedia, if we include inflation and new technology, we can assume the cost will be at $250-300 million, more cheaper than ASML HIGH NA EUVL at $340 million.
A side bonus, A HEPS facility can power multiple EUV machine thus reducing cost, from my understanding a minimum of 50 beamline can be install.
The Shanghai Synchrotron Radiation Facility (SSRF) (: 上海光源) is a -radiation light source facility in , . Located in an eighteen-hectare campus at Shanghai National Synchrotron Radiation Centre, on the in the district.
SSRF is operated by the Shanghai Institute of Applied Physics (SINAP). The facility became operational in 2009, reaching full energy operation in Dec 2012.
When it opened, it was China's costliest single science facility.
The facility "has played a key role in revealing the inner mechanism of various cancers."
Construction[]
It has a circumference of 432 metres, and is designed to operate at 3.5 , the highest energy of any synchrotron other than the Big Three facilities in Hyōgo Prefecture, Japan, in Grenoble, France and at Argonne National labs, United States. It will initially have eight beamlines.The particle accelerator cost 1.2 billion (176 million). It is China's biggest light facility. It is located under a building with a futuristic snail-shaped roof.
The synchrotron opened to universities, scientific institutes and companies for approved research in May 2009.
- Dec. 2004 - Sept. 2006: Building construction
- Jun. 2005 - Mar. 2008: Accelerator equipment and components manufacture and assembly
- Dec. 2005 - Dec. 2008: Beamline construction and assembly
- Apr. 2007 - Jul. 2007: Linac commissioning
- Oct. 2007 - Mar. 2008: Booster commissioning
- Apr. 2008 - Oct. 2008: Storage ring commissioning
- Nov. 2008 - Mar. 2009: ID Beamline commissioning
- Apr. 2009: The SSRF operation begins
Jan 19, 2022 — ASML said it has received orders for five prototypes of the next iteration of the system, known as "High NA" EUV machines, which will have a ...
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Maybe, but keep in mind that the entire particle accelerator is just the light source. You still need ultra high vacuum chamber, laser focusing system, the wafer positioning system, ultra precise laser interferometer, chemical deposition system and all the bells and whistles that are already integrated onto ASML's EUV machine. None of those things are cheap or easy, adding to the cost. And again, you're gonna need to build a brand new fab around this machine, compared to a truck sized machine that can be easily integrated into any existing fab.
Also source for the SSMB being able to produce 50 beamlines? I heard of 4 only.
FEL is free electron laser. SSMB is steady state microbunching. Anyway the direct quote is hundred of millions to billions. That's a big diffierence in price, it could be 200 million or 5 billion rmb. Not that gonna be accurate given it's brand new tech that hasn't been built yet. And again, that's the price just for the light source. ASML EUV does alot more than that.
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Clearly you don’t know Chinese. 1-10KW is for FEL. 1KW is for SSMB.
Also cleary stated that cost is few hundered millions to 1 billion. The perimeter is 100m, much smaller than synchrotron.
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