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tonyget

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王鑫:那EUV光源有样机了吗
havok:上光所是EUV LPP光源的主要研制单位,其次是长光所和华中科大,现在还都是在研制阶段,样机也是实验性质。

王鑫:Is there a prototype of the EUV light source?
havok:SIOM is the main research and development unit of EUV LPP light source, followed by CIOMP and HUST. They are still in the development stage, and the prototype is also experimental.
 

olalavn

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Bro there is something fishy about that report, maybe an admission that SSA800 DUVL will be officially introduces this year and a possible working working EUVL in 2024?
later this year they will test prototype EUV, I guess around late 2024 or mid 2025... we will have good news about it...
China's high-end semiconductor industry is following the path of TSMC....
 

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tonyget:上光所是外购CO2激光源,然后自己做锡滴轰击的部分?还是包括CO2激光源在内都自己做?
havok:自己不做,CO2激光华中科大在做

tonyget:Is SIOM outsourcing the CO2 laser source, and then doing the part of tin droplet bombardment? Or they do all the work themself?
havok:SIOM doesn't do CO2 laser source, HUST is doing it


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xianyaoz:哈工大没有参与吗?我记得哈工大在光源上也有深厚的积累。
havok:哈工大是DPP,不过哈工大还会参与掩膜台研制,90~28nm的掩膜台哈工大都参与研制
havok:Cymber的驱动光源用通快的CO2气体激光,Gigaphoton的驱动光源用三菱重工的CO2气体激光器

xianyaoz: Did Harbin Institute of Technology not participate? I remember that Harbin Institute of Technology also has a deep accumulation in light sources.
havok: Harbin Institute of Technology is DPP, but Harbin Institute of Technology will also participate in the development of mask tables, and Harbin Institute of Technology will participate in the development of 90-28nm mask tables
havok: Cymber's driving light source uses Trumpf's CO2 gas laser, and Gigaphoton's driving light source uses Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' CO2 gas laser
 

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havok:60W工程样机阶段,科益现在一年能产10台左右准分子激光器(包括干式和浸没),等亦庄的基地建好后产能会大幅提高,亦庄基地目前还未开工(从开工到达产大约要3年时间)

havok:At the 60W engineering prototype stage, Keyi can now produce about 10 excimer lasers (including dry and immersion) a year. After the Yizhuang base is completed, the production capacity will be greatly increased. The Yizhuang base has not yet started (from the start to production about takes 3 years)

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A lot of juicy info today!

Regarding RSLaser capacity of 10 pieces/year until a still not started plant with 3-years ETA will be ready, well it seems a bit too odd.

I'd guess that if there will be the need they will increase production anyhow. Thy don't need a fancy new plant for this. Thy can rent an already existing plant and move equipment in, or even outsource it to some big laser machinery manufacturer (there are many in China). If China really needs localized litho machines, they cannot be the bottleneck for 3 years time just because they have to build their shiny new plant. This is impossible and unacceptable.

Important information from Havok,they already have a dual-working station prototype for EUV

havok:EUV真空双工件台已有样机而且和ASML一样,很大且采用多轴激光干涉仪

havok:The prototype of the EUV vacuum double workpiece table has been prototyped and, like ASML, it is very large and uses a multi-axis laser interferometer.

Well, few weeks ago he said project was stalled because of lacking of funds...now they have a prototype...oh well! :)

tonyget:上光所是外购CO2激光源,然后自己做锡滴轰击的部分?还是包括CO2激光源在内都自己做?
havok:自己不做,CO2激光华中科大在做

tonyget:Is SIOM outsourcing the CO2 laser source, and then doing the part of tin droplet bombardment? Or they do all the work themself?
havok:SIOM doesn't do CO2 laser source, HUST is doing it


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Now we know who is developing the EUV project. Maybe a bit surprising (but not so much) that DUV and EUV projects are splitted and many actors who are developing DUV (RSLaser, etc) are not involved with EUV.
 

tonyget

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havok hints that it is possible to take the shortcut in the development of EUV light source technology

havok:EUV光源方面是有弯道的,就看你有没有能力超了,超了就会像ASML超尼康那样

havok:There is shortcut in EUV light source technology. It all depends on whether you have the ability to use that shortcut. If you can do it, then it will be like ASML surpassing Nikon.
 

measuredingabens

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Then why do normies and media paint EUV as some kind of black magic crafted by alien?
It comes down to lack of understanding and media sensationalism. Science and tech journalism is, charitably speaking, an inaccurate mess of sensationalised (if not outright wrong) content that misrepresents discoveries and advancements for an audience of mostly laymen that lack the background to understand the workings in depth or research the topic further. Many people pretty much repeat headlines and talking points verbatim without making the attempt to understand how or why something works or doesn't work.
 
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