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I hope China would focus on SSMB, it is really a technology disruptor (like EV for car analogy). I am not suggesting to abandon DPP and LPP, not at all
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I hope China would focus on SSMB, it is really a technology disruptor (like EV for car analogy). I am not suggesting to abandon DPP and LPP, not at all
"Hangke Chuangxing", a research and development manufacturer of electronic ceramic materials and packaging products, announced the completion of an angel round of financing of 10 million yuan. This round of financing was led by Inno Angel Fund, followed by Heli Energy.
Ji Jianchao, founder and general manager of Hangke Chuangxing, said that this round of financing will be mainly used for the construction of a pilot line for electronic ceramic packaging, as well as core product research and development, and the building and expansion of the core team.
Ji Jianchao, founder and general manager of Hangke Chuangxing, said that this round of financing will be mainly used for the construction of a pilot line for electronic ceramic packaging, as well as core product research and development, and the building and expansion of the core team.
Moore Threads have now validated with Tim Create 天创者, who builds desktop with all domestic systems.
They did this for S10/S50 GPU.
It's interesting that while people love to look at high computation numbers, it's the GPUs that get validated and verified to work on as many system as possible that achieve the greatest success at the end.
They did this for S10/S50 GPU.
It's interesting that while people love to look at high computation numbers, it's the GPUs that get validated and verified to work on as many system as possible that achieve the greatest success at the end.
Heh! It is what they say in the military. Quantity has a quality of its own.
Just stick another GPU in there to increase performance. That will cost more in electricity, but China pays lower electricity costs than most other people.
According to this chart, electricity is 50% cheaper in China than America, and it is double in Japan and even more in Germany!
(To be redundant, to answer they question why talk about electricity costs, when we talking about chips, the air condition in the server room cost money. They say sometimes it can reach half the cost of operating a server room.)
Here is quick example of why it is important.
Suppose American chip has performance benchmark of 50. Then two chips together would yield a performance of 100.
American chips performance at 100, and electricity costs at 150.
China chips performance (if have same chip) is at 100, and electricity costs at 100.
Therefore, if the chips are equal, the Chinese operations are far more competitive due to lower cost, which is electricity.
But, due to the tech restrictions, China does not currently have the most advance chips for servers, let's just make that assumption.
Suppose that the benchmark for the Chinese chip is only 80% of the American chip (it probably a lot higher, but for the sake of this example we use 20% less better).
So now, this is what it will like the operations cost and performance.
American chips performance at 100, and electricity costs at 150.
China chips performance (using 3 at 40 benchmark the 20% less better) is at 120, and electricity costs at 150.
Assuming the less better chip at benchmark of 40 still uses the same amount of electricity.
It is just basic math.
Doing the first way, due to lower electricity costs, China is more competitive.
Doing the second way, where sticking more GPUs into the machine, will increase electricity costs to equal levels of the Americans, but that Chinese machine will do more computing output, hence it is still more competitive.
Of course, in the real world, it is more complicated, but this is the general idea that that chip war really is just a False Dimitri. You know, fake news.
The chip may not be the most advanced inside that Chinese computer, but so what? There is a lot more to it, including those components inside that box, all made in China probably, and other costs.
Just a note:
In an HPC cluster, it is not just about # of GPUs, it is also about efficiency of combination i.e. interconnectivity. This requires special chip design, multi-nodal system design (bandwidth, throughput, scalability), parallelization software, all just to make it semi-workable. Datacenters is not just about the GPU, it is an entire product of its own.
havok：60W工程样机阶段，科益现在一年能产10台左右准分子激光器（包括干式和浸没），等亦庄的基地建好后产能会大幅提高，亦庄基地目前还未开工（从开工到达产大约要3年时间）
havok：At the 60W engineering prototype stage, Keyi can now produce about 10 excimer lasers (including dry and immersion) a year. After the Yizhuang base is completed, the production capacity will be greatly increased. The Yizhuang base has not yet started (from the start to production about takes 3 years)
havok：At the 60W engineering prototype stage, Keyi can now produce about 10 excimer lasers (including dry and immersion) a year. After the Yizhuang base is completed, the production capacity will be greatly increased. The Yizhuang base has not yet started (from the start to production about takes 3 years)
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Important information from Havok，they already have a dual-working station prototype for EUV
havok：EUV真空双工件台已有样机而且和ASML一样，很大且采用多轴激光干涉仪
havok：The prototype of the EUV vacuum double workpiece table has been prototyped and, like ASML, it is very large and uses a multi-axis laser interferometer.
havok：EUV真空双工件台已有样机而且和ASML一样，很大且采用多轴激光干涉仪
havok：The prototype of the EUV vacuum double workpiece table has been prototyped and, like ASML, it is very large and uses a multi-axis laser interferometer.
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If true, then it would be earlier than speculated, which was by year-end.
havoc：上光所是EUV LPP光源的主要研制单位，其次是长光所和华中科大，现在还都是在研制阶段，样机也是实验性质。
EUV LPP：SIOM，CIOMP，HUST. Follow precedence. Still in experiment stage.
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