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european_guy

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The planned fab expansions in China equate to 1,334kwpm which will almost double the current wafer capacity (1,665kwpm) and add 6% to the global wafer capacity.
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In 2021 Chinese firms bought $14.5 billion of equipment from AMAT, Lam Research and KLA, now all this new impressive fab construction wave, from now to 2025 will do without US companies.

Thanks to US sanctions, more than 30 years of market presence of US firms in China, tens of thousands of installations, thousands of highly skilled technicians, huge local market knowledge, presence and leadership and, last but not least, huge yearly revenues will evaporate and all this will be lost in time, like tears in rain... :)
 

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bloomberg article about china pausing major chip investments. Most of the article is behind a paywall, but from what can be read, it seems that the investments didnt get the results that they wanted. Does anyone knows about this?

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Here is the original article

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Thanks. @tinrobert is a great source. Although, I'd point out that Information Network probably didn't get all the new fabs that are coming online. Still, his over point is probably accurate enough. We will just have to wait and see how much they really increase.

In 2021 Chinese firms bought $14.5 billion of equipment from AMAT, Lam Research and KLA, now all this new impressive fab construction wave, from now to 2025 will do without US companies.

Thanks to US sanctions, more than 30 years of market presence of US firms in China, tens of thousands of installations, thousands of highly skilled technicians, huge local market knowledge, presence and leadership and, last but not least, huge yearly revenues will evaporate and all this will be lost in time, like tears in rain... :)
yep, like I posted here
KLA/AMAT/LAM 2023 projections are way too optimistic about revenue in China is way too optimistic. Considering that Koreans and Taiwanese are not allowed to expand production in China after taking money from CHIPS act,, I'm not sure how they don't lose like 80 to 90% of their revenue from the China market.

bloomberg article about china pausing major chip investments. Most of the article is behind a paywall, but from what can be read, it seems that the investments didnt get the results that they wanted. Does anyone knows about this?

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meh, I think we discussed this extensively. The original article about $143 billion didn't make a lot of sense. They will have a very thorough and holistic approach to this. Just putting a dollar sign on it doesn't make sense. The Chinese IC sector already gets so much benefit from the local gov't.
 

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bloomberg article about china pausing major chip investments. Most of the article is behind a paywall, but from what can be read, it seems that the investments didnt get the results that they wanted. Does anyone knows about this?

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Here's the article:
Bloomberg News
January 4, 2023 at 5:17 AM GMT+2Updated onJanuary 4, 2023 at 11:22 AM GMT+2

China is pausing massive investments aimed at
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a chip industry to compete with the US, as a nationwide Covid
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strains the world’s No. 2 economy and Beijing’s finances.
Top officials are discussing ways to move away from
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that have so far borne little fruit and encouraged both graft and American sanctions, people familiar with the matter said. While some continue to push for incentives of as much as 1 trillion yuan ($145 billion), other policymakers have lost their taste for an investment-led approach that’s not yielded the results anticipated, the people said.
Instead, they’re seeking alternative ways to assist homegrown chipmakers, such as lowering the cost of semiconductor materials, the people said, asking not to be identified revealing sensitive negotiations.

That would mark a shift in Beijing’s approach toward an industry regarded as
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to challenging American dominance and safeguarding Chinese economic and military competitiveness. It underscores how the country’s economic ructions are taxing Beijing’s resources and hobbling its chip ambitions — one of President Xi Jinping’s top priorities. That could have ramifications for spending in other critical areas, from the environment to defense.
Shares in Chinese chipmakers and gear suppliers underperformed a broad market rally.
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slid 1.2% in Japan, while Chinese peers including
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fell more than 1%.

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It’s unclear what other chip policies Beijing is considering, or whether it will ultimately decide to ditch the capital investment-heavy approach that’s worked so well in propelling its manufacturing sector over the past decades. China’s government could still decide to divert resources from other arenas to fund its chipmakers. Representatives for the State Council Information Office and Ministry of Industry and Information Technology didn’t immediately respond to faxed requests for comment.
But the discussions now underway are in stark contrast to Beijing’s prior efforts of pouring colossal resources into the chip industry, including setting up the National Integrated Circuit Industry Investment Fund in 2014.
That vehicle lies at the heart of Xi’s unhappiness with Beijing’s prior philosophy. Known within the industry as the Big Fund, it drew about $45 billion in capital and backed scores of companies, including China’s chipmaking champions
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Xi’s administration grew
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that tens of billions of dollars funneled into the industry over the past decade haven’t produced breakthroughs that allow China to compete with the US on a more equal footing. In fact,
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and Yangtze, arguably the two most advanced Chinese semiconductor players, were crippled by US sanctions.
Senior Beijing officials
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a flurry of anti-graft probes into top industry figures last summer, blaming corruption for wasted and inefficient investment. The Big Fund is likely to lose its stature as a result, the people said.

All that happened as semiconductors increasingly became a key battleground in the rivalry between China and the US. Xi has repeatedly
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the need for a sense of urgency to resolve China’s so-called chokepoints: areas where the country still relies heavily on the US and other foreign powers, including critical technologies such as chips.

He has
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top officials to achieve self-sufficiency in key technologies as the US moves to isolate China. When he secured a precedent-breaking third term in October, Xi vowed to “move faster” in implementing strategic projects to increase innovation,
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“efforts will be made to improve the new system for mobilizing resources nationwide to make key technological breakthroughs, and boost China’s strength in strategic science and technology.”

In response, Chinese officials recently discussed whether to offer additional incentives for domestic semiconductor companies, the people said. But many reckoned it would be difficult to pool a substantial amount after Beijing had
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to combat Covid over past years, according to the people.
Instead, officials are now asking local semiconductor material suppliers to cut prices to provide support to their domestic customers, the people said.
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Weak tax revenue, declining land sales and the cost of stemming Covid has
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the government’s finances, pushing the fiscal deficit to a
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last year.
Meanwhile, the US is proving increasingly aggressive in going after China’s technological ambitions.
Last year, it accelerated a campaign to contain Beijing’s chip endeavors,
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various tools including export controls to deter China’s progress in emerging technologies. That was part of efforts to maintain what US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan
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“as large of a lead as possible.”
Its key allies including the Netherlands and Japan have also
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in principle to tighten controls over the export of advanced chipmaking machinery to China, Bloomberg News has reported, in what may be another potentially debilitating blow to Beijing’s grand chip plans.
It doesn't contain any new information, just exaggerated fearmongering.
 

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Thanks. @tinrobert is a great source. Although, I'd point out that Information Network probably didn't get all the new fabs that are coming online. Still, his over point is probably accurate enough. We will just have to wait and see how much they really increase.
Information Network and @tinrobert are one and the same.
You can ask him about how he tallied the info.
 
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Hunan Dezhi Semiconductor's silicon carbide etching ring project completed​


December 30th, the 2022 Zhuzhou City project construction "Hundred Days Tackling" major project opening and completion activities were held. At the event, the silicon carbide etching ring project for semiconductors invested by Hunan Dezhi New Materials Co., Ltd. in Zhuzhou High-tech Zone was officially completed .

Hunan Dezhi New Material Co., Ltd. is a high-tech enterprise specializing in the R&D, production and sales of silicon carbide nano-mirror coatings and ceramic matrix composite materials. It is committed to the production of key consumables for high-process semiconductor production. It has domestic leading technology and equipment. With a high-level R&D team, it is the leading supplier of SiC coated graphite base and SiC etching ring in China.

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Etching ring is an important consumable for semiconductor etching process. Due to the high ion energy in high-process technology, the requirements for etching ring are also higher. Silicon carbide etching ring is a key consumable for semiconductor materials in the plasma etching process, and its life and stability far exceed The traditional quartz etching ring is an indispensable and important material in the semiconductor chip industry chain. The project is located in the east of Fengchan 4th Road, Xinfeng Road in the south, Fengchan 3rd Road in the west, and Jinfeng Road in Xinma Industrial Park, Zhuzhou High-tech Zone. It covers a total area of about 60 mu and has a total investment of about 250 million yuan. The annual output value is about 150 million yuan. At present, some equipments have been commissioned and put into production.

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More invesment in SME consumables.
 

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I'm surprised the usual trolls in this thread haven't posted this yet. Someone asked havok
网上说华卓精科的浸没双工件台DWSI还在研发中,而且最近还没研发经费了
To which he replied
浸没双工件台样机 所以还属于研发阶段。研发是比较缺钱,科创版也已申请2年多了,后续EUV工件台的研发会依照国家统一安排。
This makes no sense to me. How is it that SMEE has at the very least a beta of a 28nm DUVi while U-Precision's immersion dual-stage workpiece is still in R&D and furthermore, the R&D funds have run out?

Just what is going on here? I expected China's semiconductor tool drive to be an Apollo moonshot or a Manhattan Project, this is a three-ring circus.
 

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I'm surprised the usual trolls in this thread haven't posted this yet. Someone asked havok

To which he replied

This makes no sense to me. How is it that SMEE has at the very least a beta of a 28nm DUVi while U-Precision's immersion dual-stage workpiece is still in R&D and furthermore, the R&D funds have run out?

Just what is going on here? I expected China's semiconductor tool drive to be an Apollo moonshot or a Manhattan Project, this is a three-ring circus.
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