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tphuang

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According to this, China is still struggling with domestic equipment maker due to dependency on foreign component

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Orders rise in short term, but domestic suppliers lag in supporting advanced semiconductor technology


It seems a gloom situation not only for YMTC and CXMT, I thought domestic equipment maker is already strong enough except the lithography..

Why are you taking these articles seriously? This is what really annoys me about this thread. People allow themselves to get worked up by these articles that are clearly written with an agenda. I am going to have to purge posts when I get a chance to. This is not productive.

If you want to read a few informative articles, read what @tinrobert wrote. He has clearly put real effort into this topic and is writing with the purpose of providing stock advises to readers.
 

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Japan knows a thing or two.


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"Japanese tech leaders warn Beijing will ride out US chip sanctions


Tech executives in Japan have warned that the latest US chip export controls are unlikely to suppress China’s progress in artificial intelligence and super computers, calling into question the long-term effectiveness of the sanctions.


The warnings from Sony’s chief technology officer and NEC’s chief executive come as Washington tries to convince the Netherlands and Japan, both big players in the global chipmaking industry, to strike a trilateral deal that would impose further restrictions on China obtaining tools to make chips.


In an interview with the Financial Times, Sony technology head Hiroaki Kitano said he expected the US-led sanctions to “temporarily impact” China’s ability to procure semiconductors but added it was “entirely possible” that its global presence in AI would continue to increase.


“The driving force of AI [development] in China is that they have access to very large data sets. I am not sure what kind of long-term impact [the US export curbs] can have there,” Kitano said.


In a recent media session, NEC chief executive Takayuki Morita also expressed doubts about the long-term effectiveness of Washington’s measures, which are designed to slow China’s ability to develop chips and prevent it from obtaining advanced semiconductors that can be used for military purposes.


“Personally, I feel that while it may be possible for the US-China technology dispute over chips to slow down China’s technology progress, the overall trend will not change,” Morita said. “It’s not possible to ignore China’s competitiveness in technology, and it will become one of the forces [to reckon with] in the long run.”


The sanctions Washington rolled out in October are the toughest tech measures President Joe Biden has introduced to combat Chinese advances, but the broader impact so far appears to be more limited than when Chinese telecoms equipment maker Huawei was cut out of supply chains, corporate and government officials in Japan said. That move heavily hit Sony and other companies supplying components to Huawei.


Analysts said the latest measures would probably accelerate China’s efforts to expand its homegrown chip industry, part of the Communist party’s Made in China 2025 road map to becoming a global leader in AI and quantum computing.


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Kitano said Sony was unlikely to be affected by the US export curbs as its main AI research centres were located in the US and Europe. People close to the company said Sony had also significantly reduced its exposure to Chinese suppliers as a result of the Huawei fallout.


NEC does not expect to be affected by the sanctions either, as the company is focused on facial recognition and software. Its presence in the Chinese market is also limited due to privacy concerns, said Morita.


Sony’s Kitano said one big question was whether China could maintain its existing standards for research and development in terms of the quality of its engineers.


US employees — as well as support personnel of American chip equipment makers and other suppliers, including Applied Materials and Lam Research — left Chinese semiconductor companies such as Yangtze Memory Technology soon after Washington imposed its export curbs, which prevent US citizens and green card holders from aiding China’s semiconductor industry.


“It’s hard to know how it will turn out in terms of whether China can sustain advanced research and development under the current environment,” Kitano said."
 

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Sony’s Kitano said one big question was whether China could maintain its existing standards for research and development in terms of the quality of its engineers.


US employees — as well as support personnel of American chip equipment makers and other suppliers, including Applied Materials and Lam Research — left Chinese semiconductor companies such as Yangtze Memory Technology soon after Washington imposed its export curbs, which prevent US citizens and green card holders from aiding China’s semiconductor industry.


“It’s hard to know how it will turn out in terms of whether China can sustain advanced research and development under the current environment,” Kitano said."
Some casual Japanese racism. Will someone think of the American super-engineers and how the lowly Chinese can replace them, sir?
 

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the acceptance and testing time of China domestic DUV lithography machine will be about half a year- 1 year... from 2023-2024, we will see how many DUV release... and from 2025- 2027 China has almost everything it wants, including the 3nm process...

including EUV in 25-27?
 

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the acceptance and testing time of China domestic DUV lithography machine will be about half a year- 1 year... from 2023-2024, we will see how many DUV release... and from 2025- 2027 China has almost everything it wants, including the 3nm process...
I though 28 nm DUV will be ready in 2023?
 

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The current US is not the same US 10-20 years ago. The whole “free market” and “globalization” has been canned in favor of a scorched earth policy, which won’t change regardless who becomes president. Maybe ASML will be allowed to send EUVs into China when it’s the 2050s. There is next to zero chance relations are improving in the short to mid terms now that the US is shifting towards confrontation with China.

The US has done this before; it's not the first time. Military equipment, satellites, space travel, etc... It's ridiculous that there are still people out there who believe that the US is doing this "because of Xi Jinping" or "because China has become more aggressive." If you looked into the actual history, you'd realize that US technology embargoes on China are a fairly common affair and a long-standing policy to weaken China. The only reason the chip ban is remarkable is because it is a genuine high-profile, dual use technology. But then again, so were satellites and the US imposed similar sanctions on those after 1989 and still maintains them today.

This is why the CCP has never fully trusted the US and has always kept them at arm's length even at the height of economic engagement. The CCP has a long memory, after all. But the problem is that Chinese businesses have grown complacent and dependent on the sweet honey of Western lies. They thought the age of engagement would last forever. That the US genuinely wanted what's best for China.

This is the wake up call for those businesses to wise up. Every generation or two, it seems one is needed.
 
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