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Intel is an integrated device manufacturer too... So is Samsung... So being an integrated device manufacturer alone is not the problem... What else is it? Is it that fabless companies just tend to generally be better at designing logic chips than IDMs, especially for chips not used in PCs, because they can focus their resources in just that one area...
Samsung also has fab services to increase uptime, and it sells memory which is commodity.

Intel has a duopoly with AMD on a huge captive market for PC chips with x86 instruction set.

One thing to note about IDM is that it gets harder and harder to stay competitive as IDM at leading edge nodes because your capital equipment has to make its money back AND you have to keep buying to stay at the leading edge, which is a reason why Intel is struggling. Some of the most financially sound IDMs are analog fabs like Texas Instruments because they can use cheap refurbished or used equipment.

IDK much about design, my knowledge is limited.
 

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"However, development of such process nodes and validation/qualification by customers will take some time,<...> as a result, Applied expects that companies in China with 14nm designs will continue to use that node and the services that the foundries can provide. Meanwhile, a hypothetical 17nm node (assuming it makes financial sense) could be used for an entirely different design. "
Will never happen. If someone in China made 17nm FinFET then the US would just sanction them again. Originally the ban was going to be on 14nm so that SMIC FinFET would get banned. But they made the rule 16nm specifically so that TSMC cannot increase its FinFET fab capacity in China either.

A process which might show up at SMIC, I think, is 22nm planar. HLMC, TSMC, and UMC have it. I think it has the same geometry as 28nm. So you can easily shrink a 28nm design to the 22nm process. Unlike FinFET it does not need a substantial redesign. It has 10% lower area, 15% better performance or 35% lower power consumption, than 28nm. Plus it probably won't be sanctioned.

Unfortunately SMIC's leading process designer is against developing more lower end nodes. It is not that I can blame him, since most people who had 20nm designs switched to FinFET and there is still a lot of volume in 28nm while 20nm production at TSMC is basically dead. But unlike 20nm, the 22nm process should be cheaper, since it requires less complex design rules.

It boggles my mind why the Japanese have not made the effort to ensure that the domestic market for more advanced IC chip nodes is not dominated by Japanese fabs. I have read from many sources here and elsewhere that t most advanced logic chips manufactured in Japan are at just 40 nm.
The Japanese stopped making advanced logic fabs after the last PlayStation 3 came out. The PlayStation 4 and later basically have X86 processors. As for making new logic fabs, for that you need to have enough volume to use them to capacity.
 
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CR Micro is getting into GaN power chip production. This is a domain mainly cornered by CETC thus far due to military reasons, but looks like GaN modules will increasingly be produced by other companies.

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李虹强调,整合润新后,华润微进一步掌握了GaN核心技术及全产业链布局,当前以6英寸为主,并启动8英寸同步研发,未来将充分利用8英寸产线技术优势,加快产品技术研发和应用匹配,目标实现GaN器件规模化生产。“当前的首要任务是迅速打开市场,提高市场占有率。除了本次推向市场的d-mode cascode 650V/900V产品,更多e-mode 650V、100V产品的研发也已在6/8英寸工艺平台上同步有序进行,预计明年将会有面向快充和激光雷达应用的产品推向市场。”
so currently doing 6 inch wafers and looking to develop 8 inch wafer. They have now started mass producing GaN modules. Next year, will push Lidar onto the market.
 

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Good thread here from Baidu earnings call

should be obvious to everyone that's been on this thread that the sanction impact has been minimal. You can just use more of the "less powerful" chips to achieve the same goals for AI. The server chips are not banned. Kunlun itself has been considered a success in Baidu. And auto chip market is accelerating in China.
 

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British Fab Workers Send Letter to Business Secretary Objecting to Forced China to Sell Shares​

Jiweiwang news, according to Sky News, the British Newport Fab Workers Association, which was acquired by Nexperia Semiconductor, a subsidiary of China Wingtech Technology, wrote to British Business Secretary Shapps on the 21st local time, urging The latter reversed a decision that forced the Chinese company to sell a majority stake in the factory.

Previously, on November 17, Nexperia Semiconductor, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Wingtech Technology, received a formal notice from the British Ministry of Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, asking Nexperia to sell 86% of the acquired shares of the factory on the grounds of national security. . The Chinese side has repeatedly stated its firm opposition to the British side's repeated pressure and demand that Chinese companies cancel the acquisition of the UK's largest semiconductor manufacturing plant.

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Please add some comments when you post links.

This was first brought up last week here #19,671

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The interesting comment about it is here
正在生产过程中。公司一直注重供应链安全,主要芯片在境内境外不同工艺都有做备份。
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looks like they have prepared for production solutions with both Chinese and non-Chinese chip makers. Refused to comment on whether or not they are still using TSMC process.

I kind of figure that this is the new trend for Chinese cpu makers. They have 1 SMIC version and 1 TSMC/Samsung version.
 
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