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SMIC out with their Q3 earning report.

Looks like in the near term, they are seeing some impact from the sanctions on production operation. They are still look to clarify some of the laws involved.

Overall, $6.6 billion in Capex this year. Looks like demand weakness is hitting them also, but not as much as TSMC. Their capacity utilization was 92.1% in Q3. I think it was 97% in Q2. Revenue was about flat vs Q3.

They are very optimistic about medium to long term outlook, but short term demand weakness is a problem. Expecting Q4 margins to be 30 to 32%. Revenue to be down 13 to 15% vs Q3.

This is the important part

full year Capex went from $5 billion to $6.6 billion. So despite the sanctions, they have increased their Capex by 30%.

As expected,SMIC didn't release any information regarding technical progress
 

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The auto chip expansion continues.
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) which is a JV between CRRC and Dongfeng will be spending 280 million RMB on stage 2. Stage 1 continues to be improved with 2 new lines of automotive grade IGBTs. Stage one started in July 2021 and can reach 300k modules a year (1000 to 1200 a day)
 

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EUV tooling research in China.
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China EUV lithography tool from 250nm in 2001 to 32nm in 2017, even if pattern 10WPH is still many times faster than EBeam lithography.

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CIOMP EUV projection objective.EUV-MIRROR.jpg
CIOMP EUV optics and EUV multilayer projection mirror, 50 picometer RMS.
 
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As expected, German blocks Chinese firm from buying German chip company.
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This quote from German Economy Minister Robert Habeck basically sums it all up.
What is important is the political message...
The decision was not about economic, technological, or security concerns. It was pure political posturing.
 

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Sigma Star semi (星宸科技) responding to investor questions about EDA tools
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当前,全球半导体IP厂商主要包括ARM、Synopsys、Cadence、SST、Imagination、CEVA等。经过近年来国内集成电路设计产业的快速发展,国内涌现出了一批IP授权公司,例如芯原股份、苏州国芯、锐成芯微等。因此,公司向Synopsys采购的通用IP关于星宸科技股份有限公司首次公开发行股票并在创业板上市申请文件审核问询函的回复8-1-2-37存在较多替代方案。公司的自主核心技术构成产品技术优势的核心部分,决定产品的关键性能和功能,公司核心技术不存在对通用IP授权方重大依赖的情形。
a lot of domestic alternatives to Synopsys
 

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SMIC out with their Q3 earning report.

We have really to read between the lines here.

China accounts for 70%, US share has been reduced to 20% and probably is going to shrink further if we have to interpret lines like:

"need for some customers to buffer time to interpret the new US export control regulations" which I translate like: we had some order cancelled from US customers.

and

"Due to the decline in external demand, some internal factories have undergone annual repairs" which I translate like: we took advantage of canceled US orders to do some maintenance work and setup the lines for the future new Chinese orders that will replace the US ones that are gone.

This line is very important: "the company's full-year revenue is expected to be around $7.3 billion, a year-on-year increase of about 34%,"

This is an official statement that current production has not been severely affected by US firms technicians that ran away abruptly, otherwise they would not foresee a full production Q4.

This quote from German Economy Minister Robert Habeck basically sums it all up.

The decision was not about economic, technological, or security concerns. It was pure political posturing.

IMO Scholz just wants to keep everyone happy: he went to China and it was very important visit. Now does this to calm down the pissed US....and also some US lobbyist inside the government, like foreign minister Annalena Baerbock, who, for some (unknown) reason, seems to be very pro-US.
 

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We have really to read between the lines here.

China accounts for 70%, US share has been reduced to 20% and probably is going to shrink further if we have to interpret lines like:

"need for some customers to buffer time to interpret the new US export control regulations" which I translate like: we had some order cancelled from US customers.

and

"Due to the decline in external demand, some internal factories have undergone annual repairs" which I translate like: we took advantage of canceled US orders to do some maintenance work and setup the lines for the future new Chinese orders that will replace the US ones that are gone.

This line is very important: "the company's full-year revenue is expected to be around $7.3 billion, a year-on-year increase of about 34%,"

This is an official statement that current production has not been severely affected by US firms technicians that ran away abruptly, otherwise they would not foresee a full production Q4.

I agree with what you are saying here. Imo the most important part of the guidance
全年资本支出计划从50亿美元上调为66亿美元。
A few more really useful part to think about from other people deciphering the report.
中芯把资本支出从320亿上调到456亿,大幅度增加了136亿!这里基本就是提前支付给设备厂商的费用了!按照上调预算,应该是荷兰这边有所放行,以及随之而来的相关设备采购费用增加!由此带来的未来产能扩张应该是超越预期的!
能够在受美帝出口管制下增加设备支出,然后在行业逆周期增加产能,也可以看到中芯基本走在了相对正确的路!
Should be pretty obvious what's going on here. They are massively increasing Capex spend. If we assume that this decision was made recently, since they made no mention of this in Q2 earnings call back in August, then this most likely happened in September or October as they caught wind of the new sanctions. If they spend $5 billion in Capex, then quarterly Capex is $1.25 billion. Adding $1.6 billion to that means they are more than doubling their Capex in Q4. Yes, I think this means accelerated deliveries from ASML and possibly Japanese tool makers. But more likely, this is mostly going in ASML direction. They don't need to stock up domestic tools. It's possible they are giving ASML some additional money to take deliveries early as other chipmakers like TSMC/Samsung cut back on their 2023 Capex. I expect ASML to be getting a large portion of their revenue from China market in Q4 and Q1. We will see.

But in a broad level, it's good to see they are increasing rather than cutting back on Capex. And also that US sanctions have not prevented SMIC from buying more tools. Typically, SMIC JVs (with different local gov't) get a lot of funding from government. So, it's quite possible the increase in Capex is even more than $1.6 billion for Q4 when including what government funding.

Aside from that, we know that
同时折合八英寸月产能环比增长了3.2万片,产能利用率为92.1%,较上
so their 8-inch equivalent capacity in Q3 went up by 32k wpm.

From Q2 earnings report
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上半年,公司资本开支共计25亿美元,增加了折合8吋5.3万片每月的产能
They spent $2.5 billion in Capex and added 8-inch equivalent capacity by 53k wpm in first 6 months.

So, their capacity expansion has increased in Q3 compared to first half of the year. I think they are going to suffer some short term pain from demand reduction and US customers cutting back, but overall outlook is quite bright.

I do think that some of the lower capacity utilization could be due to American tools not getting serviced. It might take them some time to get those replaced or finding ways to get them serviced and such.
IMO Scholz just wants to keep everyone happy: he went to China and it was very important visit. Now does this to calm down the pissed US....and also some US lobbyist inside the government, like foreign minister Annalena Baerbock, who, for some (unknown) reason, seems to be very pro-US.
Yeah, I'm fine with this. I think China cannot expect a German coalition with Green Party Atlantist to be too friendly. If they want to have work with Germany/Europe on new techs, they should consider opening up fabs there. It will shut up some people that think China is just there to take over German factories while not investing in Germany.
 

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IMO Scholz just wants to keep everyone happy: he went to China and it was very important visit. Now does this to calm down the pissed US....and also some US lobbyist inside the government, like foreign minister Annalena Baerbock, who, for some (unknown) reason, seems to be very pro-US.
The green party is basically a CIA hack. They are willing to destroy Germany's economy for America's interests. Look at how they opposed nuclear in germany which would have made Germany more energy independent despite calling themselves the "environmental party". At a massive cost of 20 billion euros too. The fact that they got into power is a failure of german politics.

Though the silver lining is that the FDP/Scholz has a bit of historical socialist tendencies. Nobody knows whether they're secretly planning to improve ties with China.
 
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As expected,SMIC didn't release any information regarding technical progress
No, but we found quite a few interesting details as I outlined.

tomorrow could be a big day. 11/11 is a big sales day in China. Moore threads is going to releasing the pricing on its new GPUs on JD.com. Aside from that, we are anticipating a new CPU to come out this week and 11/11 seems like the most appropriate day for it. That actually would give us an idea of SMIC progress. Also, I think tomorrow might be the day when YMTC releases pricing on its new 232 layer NAND flash.

Also, we found out that Huahong had a good quarter and continues to expand like mad with no end in sight. This came out with their earnings release
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Their current round of fab expansion in Wuxi Fab 7 is going as planned. 55% of machines have been installed and they are going to reach their goal (of 95k 12-inch wpm based on previous reporting) by Q2 of next year.

The fact that Huahong did not mention any increased Capex tells me that they can buy everything locally and are not needing to rush through orders. That's not too surprising since most of their capacity increases are with 55 to 90 nm industrial/auto chips.

I'm looking forward to more earnings call/Q&A from SMIC and Huahong.

Lastly, I must say that Chinese Internet is just full of nonsense. Chinese people are literally trying to destroying their own domestic companies with rumors like this
【国内半导体设备公司:未收到中芯国际暂停采购相关消息】11月10日晚,中国证券报·中证金牛座记者从多家国内半导体设备公司方面了解到,未收到中芯国际暂停采购国内设备相关的消息。有设备公司高管表示,“成熟制程产线的采购不会停,新产线爬坡会有个过程。”也有设备公司高管称,“我们这几天还在跑客户(即中芯国际)。”
domestic tool makers have to come out and say that SMIC has not stopped purchasing domestic tools. Mature production line keep procuring new equipments. New production line needs some work.
 
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