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Topazchen

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What amazes me is their inability to back down from policies which clearly don't work . You mean no one in government thinks

"Our Wolf Amendment did not stop China from having a thriving space industry "

"We prevented Intel from selling them Xeon chips in an attempt to kill their super computing efforts, but they created an even more powerful supercomputer using homegrown chips. We lost leverage and market share. "
 

ZeEa5KPul

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What amazes me is their inability to back down from policies which clearly don't work . You mean no one in government thinks

"Our Wolf Amendment did not stop China from having a thriving space industry "

"We prevented Intel from selling them Xeon chips in an attempt to kill their super computing efforts, but they created an even more powerful supercomputer using homegrown chips. We lost leverage and market share. "
That's because the prerogative of the American politician is not to govern effectively or advance his country's national interest, it's to get elected. Strategy doesn't come in to it, sound bites do and "tough on China" is a winning sound bite. Add to that the pathologically racist idea that China can't invent anything and all its technology is stolen, so "of course" restricting technology to China will bring it to a screeching halt.

To ask a creature like that to analyze things logically is several bridges too far.
 

gadgetcool5

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America's goal is to keep China, and really any East Asian country, down technologically as much as possible, and they will stop at nothing to pursue this goal in a fascistic manner. In their view, (not inaccurate IMO), technology is the key to mastery, and since they want to maximize their mastery and domination over other peoples, they must also maximize their technological lead. This is what the US government's policy now is, and likely will be for the foreseeable future. There's no use in complaining about it, no more than Russia complaining about the West giving Ukraine weapons. The only question is what the intended victims will do about it.
 

olalavn

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America's goal is to keep China, and really any East Asian country, down technologically as much as possible, and they will stop at nothing to pursue this goal in a fascistic manner. In their view, (not inaccurate IMO), technology is the key to mastery, and since they want to maximize their mastery and domination over other peoples, they must also maximize their technological lead. This is what the US government's policy now is, and likely will be for the foreseeable future. There's no use in complaining about it, no more than Russia complaining about the West giving Ukraine weapons. The only question is what the intended victims will do about it.
they forget China is a country that pursues exports and profits... low-end chips are still in use until 2035.. so there's no way China is strangled...
 

ansy1968

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Foxconn just bought Malaysia’s Silterra. But the highest node is 90nm. Maybe Taiwan engineers like to work in India.lol
That's the reason I believe they will use SMEE machine cause

1) Foxconn had the experience

2) Nobody want to work there especially ASML, they may have to train Indians to maintain those machine adding cost and inefficiency.
 

tinrobert

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they forget China is a country that pursues exports and profits... low-end chips are still in use until 2035.. so there's no way China is strangled...
I'm tired of reading about Jake Sullivan who worked for Obama and now for Biden. Your getting political bias in these articles and your never going to get to the
What amazes me is their inability to back down from policies which clearly don't work . You mean no one in government thinks

"Our Wolf Amendment did not stop China from having a thriving space industry "

"We prevented Intel from selling them Xeon chips in an attempt to kill their super computing efforts, but they created an even more powerful supercomputer using homegrown chips. We lost leverage and market share. "
I'm tired of reading about Jake Sullivan, who worked for Obama and Biden, because you're reading about failed political bias. Read my recent article in Seeking Alpha about an unbiased third party (me) analysis.

Chinese Sanctions Benefitting Chinese As SMIC On Road To 5nm In 2025​

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ansy1968

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Another potential customer for SMIC N+2...lol Okay it will be arriving in 2025 BUT the breath and depth of Chinese chip tech especially on GPU, a few years ago we never heard of any Chinese company involve in GPU development NOW its too numerous to mention....lol

From TOM'S HARDWARE

China's Domestic 7nm Gaming GPU Should Arrive in 2025​

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Most China domestic GPUs so far have been aimed squarely at productivity.

MetaX GPUs

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According to various reports, Chinese graphics accelerator technology firm MetaX Tech locally referred to as 沐曦 (mu xi), will have a gaming GPU ready for the domestic market by 2025. During a recent media
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(opens in new tab), Dr. Yang Jian, co-founder, CTO, and chief software architect of the firm, reportedly shared the MetaX GPU roadmap, including some details of its high-performance GPUs ready to face foreign rivals.

Apparently, MetaX is currently enjoying excellent progress in terms of both financial backing and development. Earlier this year, its heterogeneous 7nm GPU was taped out, ready for manufacturing. Moreover, the manufacturing of this product is said to be starting “soon.” Its second flagship GPU for scientific computing, AI inference, and data center is now at the final stages of R&D, with plans to mass produce it in 2024.
However, none of those products fulfill MetaX’s goal of being a Chinese producer of high-performance GPUs that compete entirely with foreign flagship products. According to Dr. Yang, such a product is necessary as China’s GPU market accounts for 40% of the world’s consumption.


Unlike some other Chinese GPUs, the MetaX products reportedly wield a “self-developed core IP from scratch, and independently designed GPU architecture and instruction set.” This philosophy contrasts with Innosilicon, whose highly capable and efficient Fantasy GPUs were recently confirmed to be
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(PowerVR) technology.
To seize the opportunity of being a leading Chinese GPU pioneer, the next step for MetaX will be to finish the development of a complete all-round GPU that will not just speed GPU computing calculations, or AI, or scientific computing, but make the big step into graphics rendering acceleration. Chinese tech site
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(opens in new tab)understood a segment of the interview with Dr. Yang Jian to mean that, by 2025, MetaX will have a fully capable gaming GPU ready. According to the
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(opens in new tab), we think the gaming GPU line will carry the “MXG” moniker.


MetaX GPUs



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MetaX 'Ex-AMD' Engineers vs Moore Threads 'Ex-Nvidia' Engineers​

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(opens in new tab) reported that the MetaX engineer team primarily consists of engineers who have previously worked at AMD. The same source asserts that China’s
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GPU development work is spearheaded mainly by ex-Nvidia engineers. Other Chinese firms with GPUs in development include the aforementioned
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with its GlenFly GPUs.
Increasing tech
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on China look likely due to high-tech weaponry concerns in the coming months, so the above development plans look sensible for replacing foreign GPUs, which may become scarce. While the worldwide GPU market is looking
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at the time of writing, we hope there may be a plentiful supply of Chinese home-grown GPUs by the time of the following GPU crunch (if it happens) to cushion any shortages.
 

ansy1968

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Come on SMEE the onus is on you, all the major Chinese TECH players like SMIC (N+2 7nm) , Huawei and others had step up to the plate and finished their project development. Relying on ASML is a double edge sword NOW is the opportune time to seize the moment and act aggressively and expand rapidly.
 

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Sir regarding 2nm I thought the US will have a JV with Japan, so the American will be doing a dual approach strategy, harvesting both and having Japan paid for the venture...lol

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Aug 1, 2022 — US, Japan reaching for a 2-nm chip breakthrough. Reports say two sides jointly aim to make leading-edge 2-nm chips by 2025 in state-led bid ...

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Jun 18, 2022 — Japan is planning to work with the United States to create domestic manufacturing for 2nm integrated circuits in the 2025 fiscal year, ..
S. Korea and Taiwan has been hollowed out
What amazes me is their inability to back down from policies which clearly don't work . You mean no one in government thinks

"Our Wolf Amendment did not stop China from having a thriving space industry "

"We prevented Intel from selling them Xeon chips in an attempt to kill their super computing efforts, but they created an even more powerful supercomputer using homegrown chips. We lost leverage and market share. "
US admin is like monkey and candy jar, monkey hand is now stuck without letting go of the candy the monkey is stuck forever. The monkey is now smashing the glass jar and will hurt himself and those around in the process.
 
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