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According to various reports, China bought 81 Arfi lithography machines last year. If we add another 40 in first half of this year, that's 120 in the past 18 months. Which would support 12 * 50k = 600k wafers of 28 nm per month or 300k wafers of 7 nm per month. That seems to be way beyond what China is adding this year, which makes me think they might be stocking up before a ban comes through.

I took a look at the fabs in development currently. this is basically how much money was spent in 2021. Quite a few projects ongoing
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If we just focus on SMIC, the most capex of existing project is the Beijing fab (has already spent 50 billion RMB). On top of that, it has invested 18 billion RMB in the Shanghai SN1 fab. It also invested 2.4 billion RMB in the Shenzhen project and 6.1 billion RMB in the Shaoxing fab which is supposed to produce 100k wpm of 6/8 inch. The new Shaoxing seem to have gone unnoticed.

The one I had not caught on is the 70k wpm 12-inch expansion in its existing SMNC fab (JV with Beijing government)
Looks like that plant has 70k wpm so far. after the 1st stage. This second stage will seek to double that. They are mostly producing 40nm/28nm wafers in this plant.
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According to this from January of this year, the new 100k wpm fab should have started installing machines in May and reach 100k wpm by 2025. Currently, SMIC Beijing and SMNC produces a total of 120k wpm of 12-inch wafers. There could be additional phases that would expand on this.
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Back in the 2020 announcement, the 2 12-inch fabs in Shanghai were classified as research platform (not really sure how much production here) and 14nm and below (for the SMSC one). At the time, the 2 fabs in Beijing were said to produce 100k wpm, so production at these plants went up another 20k wpm in a year and possibly more by now.
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If we were to add everything together, there are 70 + 40 + 100 + 100 + 100 = 410k wpm of 12 inch wafers in new fabs or fab expansions just by SMIC. That's a significant increase vs the probably 150k wpm of 12-inch current production.

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The description here is interesting. It's listing both the SMSC and SMNC as 300 mm 先进制程晶圆厂, which means advanced process fab. I wonder if the SMNC fab that's currently expanding will also be used for N+1/N+2 node. It might make sense from the perspective that the existing plant could have more experienced engineers/workers that would be able to more quickly move forward with process that require 2/3 times as many exposures.

Based on that article, It sounds to me like they should be installing machines in the new Beijing fab and the Shenzhen fab. The Shanghai LinGang fab just started construction in 2022 and will start installing matchines in 2023. They expect to see caapcity increase in 2022 to be greater than 2021.

Now, if we go back to the first link for 12-inch semiconductor wafer projects, GalaxyCore 格科微电子 apparently has a new project for 60k wpm of 12-inch wafers for CMOS image sensor chips that is expected to finish in 2024.

Wingtech Technology鼎泰半导体 by Shanghai Dingtai Technology has a 30k wpm 12 inch auto chip that will go into production in July 2022.

芯恩 集成电路 has a project of 17k wpm of 12 inch wafers going into production last August.

积海半导体 Hangzhou Jihai semiconductor started construction in 2020/2021 for 20k wpm 12-inch wafers. and possibly 60k wpm when second phase is complete.

粤芯半导体Cansemi's second phase producing 90 to 55 nm 12-inch wafers. Adding 20k wpm in production. This went into production in Q1 2022.

荣芯半导体RongSemi planning for 20k wpm of 12-inch wafers producing CMOS semiconductor. Has yet to start production.

士兰微电子Silan Microelectronics - well known in NEV space. Will start work in Jan 2022 for a factory that produces 20k wpm of power chips.

Just looking at all this, it seems like outside of SMIC, there are maybe a couple of fabs in China that would even require DUVs. SMIC probably has more 12-inch capacity additions than everyone else combined. Outside of Huahong and CanSemi, who else would even be using ASML Arfi in China (assuming that Huawei is going exclusively with domestic product)? So, this tells me that vast majority of the 120 or so DUVs (maybe 100 of them?) are being purchased by SMIC. Assuming they buy more ASML DUVi in second half of hit year, they will have enough for advanced nodes in fab expansions in SMNC/SMSC as well as new 28 to 90 nm fabs in Beijing/Shenzhen/Shanghai.
 

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According to various reports, China bought 81 Arfi lithography machines last year. If we add another 40 in first half of this year, that's 120 in the past 18 months. Which would support 12 * 50k = 600k wafers of 28 nm per month or 300k wafers of 7 nm per month. That seems to be way beyond what China is adding this year, which makes me think they might be stocking up before a ban comes through.

I took a look at the fabs in development currently. this is basically how much money was spent in 2021. Quite a few projects ongoing
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If we just focus on SMIC, the most capex of existing project is the Beijing fab (has already spent 50 billion RMB). On top of that, it has invested 18 billion RMB in the Shanghai SN1 fab. It also invested 2.4 billion RMB in the Shenzhen project and 6.1 billion RMB in the Shaoxing fab which is supposed to produce 100k wpm of 6/8 inch. The new Shaoxing seem to have gone unnoticed.

The one I had not caught on is the 70k wpm 12-inch expansion in its existing SMNC fab (JV with Beijing government)
Looks like that plant has 70k wpm so far. after the 1st stage. This second stage will seek to double that. They are mostly producing 40nm/28nm wafers in this plant.
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According to this from January of this year, the new 100k wpm fab should have started installing machines in May and reach 100k wpm by 2025. Currently, SMIC Beijing and SMNC produces a total of 120k wpm of 12-inch wafers. There could be additional phases that would expand on this.
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Back in the 2020 announcement, the 2 12-inch fabs in Shanghai were classified as research platform (not really sure how much production here) and 14nm and below (for the SMSC one). At the time, the 2 fabs in Beijing were said to produce 100k wpm, so production at these plants went up another 20k wpm in a year and possibly more by now.
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If we were to add everything together, there are 70 + 40 + 100 + 100 + 100 = 410k wpm of 12 inch wafers in new fabs or fab expansions just by SMIC. That's a significant increase vs the probably 150k wpm of 12-inch current production.

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The description here is interesting. It's listing both the SMSC and SMNC as 300 mm 先进制程晶圆厂, which means advanced process fab. I wonder if the SMNC fab that's currently expanding will also be used for N+1/N+2 node. It might make sense from the perspective that the existing plant could have more experienced engineers/workers that would be able to more quickly move forward with process that require 2/3 times as many exposures.

Based on that article, It sounds to me like they should be installing machines in the new Beijing fab and the Shenzhen fab. The Shanghai LinGang fab just started construction in 2022 and will start installing matchines in 2023. They expect to see caapcity increase in 2022 to be greater than 2021.

Now, if we go back to the first link for 12-inch semiconductor wafer projects, GalaxyCore 格科微电子 apparently has a new project for 60k wpm of 12-inch wafers for CMOS image sensor chips that is expected to finish in 2024.

Wingtech Technology鼎泰半导体 by Shanghai Dingtai Technology has a 30k wpm 12 inch auto chip that will go into production in July 2022.

芯恩 集成电路 has a project of 17k wpm of 12 inch wafers going into production last August.

积海半导体 Hangzhou Jihai semiconductor started construction in 2020/2021 for 20k wpm 12-inch wafers. and possibly 60k wpm when second phase is complete.

粤芯半导体Cansemi's second phase producing 90 to 55 nm 12-inch wafers. Adding 20k wpm in production. This went into production in Q1 2022.

荣芯半导体RongSemi planning for 20k wpm of 12-inch wafers producing CMOS semiconductor. Has yet to start production.

士兰微电子Silan Microelectronics - well known in NEV space. Will start work in Jan 2022 for a factory that produces 20k wpm of power chips.

Just looking at all this, it seems like outside of SMIC, there are maybe a couple of fabs in China that would even require DUVs. SMIC probably has more 12-inch capacity additions than everyone else combined. Outside of Huahong and CanSemi, who else would even be using ASML Arfi in China (assuming that Huawei is going exclusively with domestic product)? So, this tells me that vast majority of the 120 or so DUVs (maybe 100 of them?) are being purchased by SMIC. Assuming they buy more ASML DUVi in second half of hit year, they will have enough for advanced nodes in fab expansions in SMNC/SMSC as well as new 28 to 90 nm fabs in Beijing/Shenzhen/Shanghai.

Both YMTC and CXMT are also big buyers of DUVs.
 

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Bro, Europe is completely out of these games.

The main actors in European semiconductor world (ST, Infineon, NXP, AMS) are mainly focused on automotive / industrial applications, so in MCU and power devices. Although their portfolio is quite wide, this is their core business.

IMO they already know they will loose the Chinese market, but due to decades old strong partnership with Eurpean automotive and industrial companies, they still think to have a comfortable future as long as they are cautious with investments and keep financial books in order...and European automotive industry does not collapse.

Europe does not have hegemonic mentality, nor its people, nor its companies. We just aim at a comfortable and healthy life :) we try to keep ourselves away from troubles....

Yeah BYD and CRRC are investing a lot in power semiconductor manufacturing. There are also big independent players like Star and Silan. The trend is definitely toward self-sufficiency in this area. China is by far the biggest end user of power semiconductors. No one else is deploying nearly as many EVs, high speed rails, UHV power transmission lines, solar panels or wind turbines as China.

Huawei started as a solar inverter manufacturer and is still one of the two biggest players there (the other big player, Sungrow, is also Chinese). It's investing heavily into Chinese SiC supply chain. Chinese power semiconductor manufacturers currently have extremely low market share in solar inverters, but given the Chinese position in solar the switch to domestic suppliers is going to have a colossal impact.

For microcontrollers, I have read there are a lot of complaints about Gigadevice chips from engineers because their companies are ordering them to switch from STM32 to GD32. Complaints are good because it shows someone is actually using your products and you actually get feedbacks to improve them.

BTW I think the European mentality is the right mentality. Despite what the Western media says, Made-in-China 2025 is not about China "dominating" XYZ sectors. I think in particular Americans have this dominate or be-dominated mentality, so their media constantly pump out the "China's secret plan to dominate XYZ" narrative when China currently stands at 0% - 5% market share and plans to get to 25%. Just let everybody supply their own market and maybe compete in smaller markets where self-sufficiency is impossible. I for one is glad globalization is ending. Less globalization = less winner-takes-all = less divide and polarization. Yes less globalization = slower tech progression, but who cares? mRNA is nice but the Global South survived Covid-19 without it.
 

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According to various reports, China bought 81 Arfi lithography machines last year. If we add another 40 in first half of this year, that's 120 in the past 18 months. Which would support 12 * 50k = 600k wafers of 28 nm per month or 300k wafers of 7 nm per month. That seems to be way beyond what China is adding this year, which makes me think they might be stocking up before a ban comes through.

Where did you get the figure of 81 Arfi lithography machines from?
That actually matches up with the total produced per year, and China didn't buy them all.

Also, there are reports of ASML losing $2.78 Billion in revenue from a DUV ban.
If you assume an average selling price of $70 Mn for an Arfi, that is still only 40 machines.


Sources below
archive.ph/46jDP
finance.yahoo.com/news/tech-war-broader-ban-asml-093000858.html


EDIT
Yep, 81 Arfi was the total number from ASML to all markets
archive.ph/7IZGu
 
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sunnymaxi

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Where did you get the figure of 81 Arfi lithography machines from?
That actually matches up with the total produced per year, and China didn't buy them all.

Also, there are reports of ASML losing $2.78 Billion in revenue from a DUV ban.
If you assume an average selling price of $70 Mn, that is only 40 DUV machines.


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total 81 DUVs entered in mainland China in 2021. not all from ASML, Chinese chipmakers also purchased lots of second hand machines from Japan and Korea.

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Also, there are reports of ASML losing $2.78 Billion in revenue from a DUV ban.

ASML didn't ban DUV. report says, if they block DUV sales, then company will loose $2.78 Billion in revenue. stop misleading the people.

ASML continue to supply DUV to Chinese customers. 34-35 units so far in 2022. official report
 

tokenanalyst

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Where did you get the figure of 81 Arfi lithography machines from?
That actually matches up with the total produced per year, and China didn't buy them all.

Also, there are reports of ASML losing $2.78 Billion in revenue from a DUV ban.
If you assume an average selling price of $70 Mn for an Arfi, that is still only 40 machines.


Sources below
archive.ph/46jDP
finance.yahoo.com/news/tech-war-broader-ban-asml-093000858.html


EDIT
Yep, 81 Arfi was the total number from ASML to all markets
archive.ph/7IZGu
That is what ASML could lose if there is an DUV ban. There is not DUV ban, there is talk between the U.S. and the Dutch goverment about stopping the sales of DUV immersion to China but there is not policy yet.
 

AndrewS

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total 81 DUVs entered in mainland China in 2021. not all from ASML, Chinese chipmakers also purchased lots of second hand machines from Japan and Korea.

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DUV is not the same as Arfi.

DUV covers both dry and immersion systems.


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Also, there are reports of ASML losing $2.78 Billion in revenue from a DUV ban.

ASML didn't ban DUV. report says, if they block DUV sales, then company will loose $2.78 Billion in revenue. stop misleading the people.

ASML continue to supply DUV to Chinese customers. 34-35 units so far in 2022. official report

Again, you have to distinguish between DUV versus Arfi.

If ASML stand to lose $2.78 Billion in revenue because of a DUV ban and the most expensive DUV machine is an Arfi at $70 Mn, that is a maximum of 40 machines.

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We can also see in 2021 that ASML recorded Euro 5 Bn in revenues for ArFi Machines.
Again, if you assume a figure of $70 Mn for an Arfi machine, that comes to around 81 Arfi machines produced in total by ASML.

statista.com/statistics/1100183/net-system-sales-of-asml-by-technology/

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And from the article below, ASML produces about 20 DUV immersion (Arfi) machines per quarter. That would be consistent with 81 Arfi machines per year

archive.ph/46jDP

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Can you provide a link to the DUV report with 34-35 units?
 

sunnymaxi

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DUV is not the same as Arfi.

DUV covers both dry and immersion systems.




Again, you have to distinguish between DUV versus Arfi.

If ASML stand to lose $2.78 Billion in revenue because of a DUV ban and the most expensive DUV machine is an Arfi at $70 Mn, that is a maximum of 40 machines.

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We can also see in 2021 that ASML recorded Euro 5 Bn in revenues for ArFi Machines.
Again, if you assume a figure of $70 Mn for an Arfi machine, that comes to around 81 Arfi machines produced in total by ASML.

statista.com/statistics/1100183/net-system-sales-of-asml-by-technology/

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And from the article below, ASML produces about 20 DUV immersion (Arfi) machines per quarter. That would be consistent with 81 Arfi machines per year

archive.ph/46jDP

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Can you provide a link to the DUV report with 34-35 units?

ASML official report of first half 2022

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