Chinese semiconductor industry
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So if say they developed the EUV light source tomorrow, how will this light source goes to the EUV?
It is a matter of time now, sooner or later, a fully domestic EUV inside China.
This is the test, maybe a prototype.
2024 sounds about right when they probably have the real thing, for production.
If they did this, then that should mean the lens is ready too, if there is a lens, lol, I don't know. Getting the chemicals here right is an important step. They already got the precision work bench.
Once they have all the working parts tested and functional, then build the plant.
That will be some crazy ass fab they are going to build. It would like two separate buildings maybe, with a conveyor belt of several kilometers! I would like to see something like that built!
Haha!
They create spinoff companies.
They have like most Chinese or any Universities teach transfers mechanisms.
Tsinghua Holdings Corp., Ltd. is a wholly owned subsidiary of , itself a public university in China. The company was established as an in-house asset management company for Tsinghua's subsidiaries that were established in the 1990s by the of research to business.
18% growth in IC sales sounds impressive, but it's disappointing when considering that global IC market grew 26% last year:
So China is actually losing ground compared to the world, and it needs to do more just to keep up, IMO.
That being said, this is genuinely good news:
Providing a breakdown, the association said sales of the manufacturing sector increased 24.1 per cent to 317.6 billion yuan, higher than the growth rate of the design sector and the packaging and testing sector, which were up 19.6 per cent and 10.1 per cent respectively.
Edit: According to , Europe leads with the fastest growth in semiconductor sales at 29%, followed by the U.S. at 27% followed by China at 24% and Japan bringing up the rear at 19%.
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This is the problem with this article. It is too much, "In your face!" that the author could not write it any differently.
That is the game. In any game, there are rules and ways of playing.
In the game of supercomputers, not having the fastest chip does not mean China cannot have the fastest supercomputer.
Those are the rules to this game. Maybe the cabling inside that thing, or the bus, makes it faster? I don't know. But those are the rules, and that is the game.
The problem with the US government is basically two fold. They do not understand the game. They do not understand the tech.
If they do not understand the tech, at least some basic understanding, then how can they play this game? Look how useless those sanctions were!
Bottom line for that article, for tech nobodies like myself, China has the fastest exaFLOPS supercomputer in the world, and they got two of them. This is a magnitude faster than anyone else.
China never bothered telling anyone about them, because to avoid more fallout from our favourite president, the one and only, President Trump!
Those two machines in China, that are not suppose to exist (but do exists for maybe a year? who knows) could be faster than the exaFLOPS supercomputers that the Americans are current building that will come online in 2022 and 2023.
Very good!
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If I was TSMC or Samsung ... I would be scared shitless.
Intel?
Oh ... forget about it ...
i put it more like 2025 for the first working machine. I think SMEE already shipped their their immersion lithography scanner to SMIC and YTMC for testing and verification but the mass production of parts for the machine still is going on and because EUV optics is different, my guess that they are going to put more effort in immersion and dry lithography for now. i think most SMEE scanners and steppers are going to receive an upgrade. the hint is that SSB500 is now the SSB520.It is a matter of time now, sooner or later, a fully domestic EUV inside China.
This is the test, maybe a prototype.
2024 sounds about right when they probably have the real thing, for production.
If they did this, then that should mean the lens is ready too, if there is a lens, lol, I don't know. Getting the chemicals here right is an important step. They already got the precision work bench.
Once they have all the working parts tested and functional, then build the plant.
That will be some crazy ass fab they are going to build. It would like two separate buildings maybe, with a conveyor belt of several kilometers! I would like to see something like that built!
Haha!
Taiwan and South Korea, both of them sanctioned Russia a couple of weeks ago, because Uncle Samuel demanded loyalty.
The Asian mind, thinks differently than white people.
Hehe ...
Does Taiwan and South Korea, want to be the Germany of Asia?
Double hehe ... hehe ...
What does that loyalty buys? When that synchrotron is coming for yo' arse?
Hey! Look! Once you take your oath of loyalty, then you are obligated to help Uncle Samuel improve his IC capabilities.
Whether the helper is promoted, or discarded, like Germany interests being thrown under the self-driving electric bus, we shall see, if they treat the Asian better than that white person who Uncle Samuel considered to be their friend.
Heck, even President Trump is Germany ancestry.
That synchrotron is coming for your ass.
Bad boy, bad boy,
Watch you gonna do,
What you gonna do,
When the come for you!
Bad boy, bad boy,
Watch you gonna do,
What you gonna do,
When the come for you!
The Asian mind, thinks differently than white people.
Hehe ...
Does Taiwan and South Korea, want to be the Germany of Asia?
Double hehe ... hehe ...
What does that loyalty buys? When that synchrotron is coming for yo' arse?
Hey! Look! Once you take your oath of loyalty, then you are obligated to help Uncle Samuel improve his IC capabilities.
Whether the helper is promoted, or discarded, like Germany interests being thrown under the self-driving electric bus, we shall see, if they treat the Asian better than that white person who Uncle Samuel considered to be their friend.
Heck, even President Trump is Germany ancestry.
That synchrotron is coming for your ass.
Bad boy, bad boy,
Watch you gonna do,
What you gonna do,
When the come for you!
Bad boy, bad boy,
Watch you gonna do,
What you gonna do,
When the come for you!
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I think the war in Europe has accelerated timelines.
There will be another chip shortage when the Russians get around to restricting supplies of chip making materials, like the metals and the neon gas.
This is a full bare knuckles fight now.
Hit hard and be quick in a fight.
Crack some eggs and make an omelette!
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