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ansy1968

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4 years? That's all? How long did it take to originally develop it? Why did you put "commercial" in there? Is it because prototypes are testing and being refined?

Don't worry about 4 short years; this is a marathon competition... if the US can hold on that long that is.

Yeah, even after China's domestic commercial DUV is ready, it would take a while to make enough to meet demand. ASML purchases are still useful in the meantime. I thought that's obvious.
@manqiangrexue Sir he is trolling you, deep inside he knows that SMEE SSA800 DUVL is out and is looking good as this YT video show. It's natural to question an unreal thing happening especially when the subject is about China, BUT those who can discern become believers those with an opinion had become trollers. Its very bothersome and tiring especially when the info is available right here, IF he want to learn and be part of a conversation all he had to do is read the whole thread, instead of us repeating the same topic all over again.


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tokenanalyst

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It's been 4 years since 2018 and China still has no commercial ArF immersion scanner, a technology first deployed in 2004.
The strategy of the U.S. has always been to drop export controls at the hint that the Chinese have or are developing the technology, so get them hook on foreign equipment. As soon the Chinese had a prototype of a EUV scanner they will drop the export control.
You don't find weird that the only piece of semiconductor equipment that you are throwing to everyone face is lithography scanners? following the media trend. A technology the the U.S. lost decade ago to Europe and Japan, china is the third country in the entire planet capable of producing an entire Arf scanner. The U.S. can only produce the light source. why just lithography? why not etching? or cleaning? rapid thermal processing? or chemical deposition? they already producing those equipment's. The irony is, what the U.S. produce is the easier to replace.
 

tokenanalyst

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That sad part is that pundits in the United States wants to ASML that is not even a U.S. company to face the economic brunt of sanctions to China while U.S. companies AM, KLA, LAM can keep reaping billions from China because "their equipment is not that important" or "China already produce those" or "They will buy it from elsewhere". Imagine how the Europeans feel.
 

Vichysoy

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That sad part is that pundits in the United States wants to ASML that is not even a U.S. company to face the economic brunt of sanctions to China while U.S. companies AM, KLA, LAM can keep reaping billions from China because "their equipment is not that important" or "China already produce those" or "They will buy it from elsewhere". Imagine how the Europeans feel.
European feeling nothing , because they alway believe in US , like Lithuania , even they have some economic problem with China
 

tokenanalyst

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European feeling nothing , because they alway believe in US , like Lithuania , even they have some economic problem with China

“Gone too far”​

The Dutch politician is on board with the Biden Administration—up to a point.

It appears as if ASML has a virtual monopoly on the technology until 2025, when presumably rivals will catch up. For that reason, Hoogeveen favors targeted restrictions on the sale of EUV tech in the name of national security: “These technologies are geopolitical assets we shouldn’t simply hand over to anyone just to make a quick buck.”

Yet Hoogeveen worries President President Joe Biden won't stop there. The administration may seek to expand export controls beyond state-of-the-art lithography machines that harness the properties of extreme ultraviolet (EUV) radiation to include older equipment as well.

The Dutch MEP specifically opposes U.S. efforts to block the sale of argon fluoride (ArF) immersion technology, which uses liquid solutions as a lens to focus electromagnetic light from the deep UV spectrum. Not only are these machines not listed among dual-use goods subject to controls under the international Wassenaar Arrangement, Beijing can already purchase them from Nikon of Japan, ASML’s closest competitor.

“His administration is increasing pressure on ASML to also ban the export of these DUV immersion machines to China,” he explained. “I believe the current administration has gone too far.”
I don't think so, the Europeans may be U.S. lapdogs to some extent but they are not blind fools.
 

WTAN

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Looks like China is getting serious about SSMB as a Light Source for EUV Lithography.

Recently Tsinghua University applied to the National Development and Reform Commission for funding to build a SSMB EUV Light Source Device.

The request was approved and it was declared to be a Major National Scientific and Technological Infrastructure to be constructed during the 14th
5 Year Plan 2021-2025.

So looks like a full scale Synchrotron Based SSMB Light Source will be ready by 2024.
 

ansy1968

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Looks like China is getting serious about SSMB as a Light Source for EUV Lithography.

Recently Tsinghua University applied to the National Development and Reform Commission for funding to build a SSMB EUV Light Source Device.

The request was approved and it was declared to be a Major National Scientific and Technological Infrastructure to be constructed during the 14th
5 Year Plan 2021-2025.

So looks like a full scale Synchrotron Based SSMB Light Source will be ready by 2024.
@WTAN Sir so China settled on SSMB, will DPP and LPP project be cancelled?
 

WTAN

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@WTAN Sir so China settled on SSMB, will DPP and LPP project be cancelled?
They will still go ahead with the LPP/DPP.
In China they always make sure that there are several options to ensure success.
But it appears that Tsinghua Uni is quite confident in building this SSMB Light Source and getting it to work.
There are also no patent issues with this new technology.
The Power can also easily be scaled up and in the long term it has more potential.
 
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