Chinese purchase of Su-35

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Re: Chinese purchase of Su-35.
Mig-29 is just like other Russian fan boys. They try to prove that Chinese are inferior sub humans compare to the Russians.

This is why he's discussion is going no where !!
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Simple, simple questions. If you have no idea of why, it is fine. But you are avoiding these questions and accusing me of playing white game and making white noise. And you called that polite? Polite to me? Politeness to someone, means to totally ignore that fella treating him like sub-human... I get it now.

i won`t fall in the trap and see
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6, This is a place for professional discussion. Please do NOT get personal. Do not try to tempt your fellow member to behave nastily. We see quite well through your attempts. Also its not allowed to post deliberately false material or generally inappropriate comments. This isn't social chat-room so members with only that in mind would be banned.

I usuallly answer, however people either want me to answer to provocations and the forum says

have you noticed have many asked for me to be banned but see forum rules
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8, If a member is clearly just causing trouble, let moderators deal with him/her. Ignore all provocative posting, because it would only worsen the situation. All members. DO NOT publicy call for a member to be banned or warned!! This is the same as a personal insult. PM a mod or report the post.


Now i do really answer people however people many times do not listen.


So tell me shall i answer AeroEngineer and get nasty?
of course i won`t that is a tactic to claim wolf, to claim i am the bad guy.


If you read i do really answer but sometimes people wnat argue to argue so is better not to argue they are just provoking me, see this thread is about Su-35 and people discusses me. Come on that is also a proof that is more about provocation and personal attacks that a few days ago PUP had to jump in a stop aeroengineer from his personals attacks and the same was rhino that i had to ask Thuang to stop the harrasment.


Here the problem is people attack me because i hold a different view and many of my views are logical and have sense.

Oh... so now you are pulling in a mod. I have always maintained... I ask you one question, what is accurate and what is not accurate from Rostec. Please answer that question. No need to twist and turn and be a man. But if you choose to hide behind a mod. And let the mod. ban all of us, so be it.
 

MiG-29

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Either you do not understand me, or you purposely move away from my question. I ask you specific question,

1) How to you tell which source is accurate? Which is not?

And from what I understand from your explanation, those that was given by Deputy Head is accurate, those not are not accurate?

2) You say in your previous post that there is a different between media and Rostec, so I take it that whatever Rostec said is accurate, which obviously is not because Rostec echoe what CCTV had mentioned before. And if they are that accurate, then they should not have mentioned it. And so... I deduce that Rostec is also not 100% accurate. Am I correct to say it?

3) You conveniently left out the link that I have linked before on Rostec echoing CCTV. And I said that it is not accurate because that had been debunked by the Russian themselves.

4) You claim that I am covering my track, so my next few questions are... what track? I linked from Rostec and Russian media themselves, I have mentioned before, my sources are not Chinese (not even CCTV), not westerns, not Singapore, but Russian. And I am not covering anything, just falling back to the first question (See below).

So... you tell me, what am I suppose to trust? Simple question. If you don't know, just say so. Nobody's going to point a gun at your head.

Yes, I do not know what was Rostec, thus my search into that matter is quite limited, but from that limited search, I notice discrepancy which make me think that that source is also not accurate (or a better word... too accurate).

As to your consistence claim that people have to be polite to you, let me tell you something, respect needed to be earn, like the respect many forumers here have (eg. Crobato, Bd poyeye, Jeff, Airforce brat, Engineer, and many more) and I talk to them with utmost respect and politeness. You on the other hand... well... since you never give anyone of us any respect to start with, why the hell should any of us give you the respect and manner that you demand and accuse others of not giving because they don't share your point of view?



And again with non-related links, taking that as proof of the accuracy of a source... what to say? Even tabloid get it right sometime don't you think? Secondly, what you said are either Russia's own internal affair and news that was international whereby every darn reporters got assess to... and that is suddenly proof of a source accuracy? If you want that as proof of accuracy... I can also show you accurate news from the notoriously non-accurate wforum.com or wikipedia and if by your theory... then wforum and wikipedia are accurate sources too. Then we should be reading from those rather than doing other researches.

Again... I am buffled, but I don't want to get pulled in to another meaningless argument on totally unrelated topics.

Plus you accuse me of slandering you. Did I? If yes, I apologise. But frankly I don't see how I have slander you? In read through my post, what I claim of you is pretty accurate. So seriously if you think I have done that... then basic manner in me, told me that I should apologise to you again, is that polite enough for someone who is always holding on to a high moral ground?
i can not do more, Rostec for me is accurate, since , deputy head of Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardin is quoted, i do not know if you know what is Rosoboronexport, but is the official Russian agency for weapons exports.

For me that is reliable enough, the rest is what you want to believe
 

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i can not do more, Rostec for me is accurate, since , deputy head of Rosoboronexport Viktor Komardin is quoted, i do not know if you know what is Rosoboronexport, but is the official Russian agency for weapons exports.

For me that is reliable enough, the rest is what you want to believe

Look buddy. I never say that the deputy head of Rosoboronexport is lying or what. I am saying that Rostec, at time, might not be as accurate for the few links I have attached before.

I trust that they are still in negotiation. What I want to know is simple, when is a source accurate and when it makes mistakes. And that is the point I am trying to make. I am not trying to steer you from your believes or what, just making simple observation, right from the start.

I am angry and ugly words started flying because I don't think you get what I mean.

Ok... (taking deep breaths)... I apologise for the strong words I have used on you, that is unbecoming of me (hope all is forgiven).

And we just take it that, you and I don't share the same opinions and there are answers that you either do not know, or not willing to share with me. Fine with me too.
 

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MiG-29

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Look buddy. I never say that the deputy head of Rosoboronexport is lying or what. I am saying that Rostec, at time, might not be as accurate for the few links I have attached before.

I trust that they are still in negotiation. What I want to know is simple, when is a source accurate and when it makes mistakes. And that is the point I am trying to make. I am not trying to steer you from your believes or what, just making simple observation, right from the start.

I am angry and ugly words started flying because I don't think you get what I mean.

Ok... (taking deep breaths)... I apologise for the strong words I have used on you, that is unbecoming of me (hope all is forgiven).

And we just take it that, you and I don't share the same opinions and there are answers that you either do not know, or not willing to share with me. Fine with me too.

Do not worry i am not upset at you, niether i think you are a bad person niether i ask you get banned, in fact you i ask the moderators to see we are friends and i hold no grudge against you we are humans and prone to make mistakes niether you need to apollogize, you can be my friend.

Miscommunications happen, specially when we are from different nations and cultures and my first language is Spanish not english
 
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Can someone explain to me what's the deal with the changes on the back of tail stings? Some pictures like those 2 in 01 , the triangular pieces are gone, and sometimes they are back, like in the photos shown above.
 

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Can someone explain to me what's the deal with the changes on the back of tail stings? Some pictures like those 2 in 01 , the triangular pieces are gone, and sometimes they are back, like in the photos shown above.

Possibly antennas, and while they may be photoshopped, the Russians often change configurations of equipment from one aircraft to the next, it always astounds me how many different numbers and designations are given to principally the same equipment???? It really does seem to be a deliberate attempt to obfuscate specifications and configurations and numbers produced etc, so while everyone does that to some extent, lots of things are kept quite strait forward, for example we know that as of 19:30 hours Central Standard Time, there are 184 RAPTORs Remaining! brat

or they could be like the tailfins on the 55 to 57 Chevy's????
 
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rhino123

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Can it be that they have not actually finalize the design yet. They might be testing different configuration until they finally get something that they find best for the situation. Or the stinger is build in a modular system whereby they could add in 'extra' modules to cater for different missions?
 
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